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Hanoi Chomsky

Jedi Knight said:


Your welcome Lucien ;)

There are some who post here that quote Chomsky as some form of "hero" and it is clear that the guy hates America.
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I thinking pointing out hipocrisy and hating are two different things. Correct me if I am wrong, but to make things better you have to address them? If you don't address the problems that plague society, we might still have the same ideology that supported things like slavery, British colonialship, ect. (I not going to give a history lesson). To dismiss Chomsky, is fine, but to say that he hates America that's just a Ad Hominem. Please support his "bad view points" with fact, not just personal political attitude. If he speaks in you area, I'll buy a ticket for you so you can debate with him... I'd like to see that.
 
Questioninggeller said:


I thinking pointing out hipocrisy and hating are two different things. Correct me if I am wrong, but to make things better you have to address them? If you don't address the problems that plague society, we might still have the same ideology that supported things like slavery, British colonialship, ect. (I not going to give a history lesson). To dismiss Chomsky, is fine, but to say that he hates America that's just a Ad Hominem. Please support his "bad view points" with fact, not just personal political attitude. If he speaks in you area, I'll buy a ticket for you so you can debate with him... I'd like to see that.
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The United States abolished the slave trade in 1808. Internal slavery ended in 1865. No communist was involved in the eradication of slavery in this country. Marx commented on American slavery, but did nothing to interfere politically with it. Marx didn't even get done with his written Manifesto with Engels until 1848.

Now the same can be said for British Colonialism. Did Marx and Engels chip away at that with a superior plan? I don't think Marx would have openly criticized the British because Marx was too selfish while using British libraries to write his work. He liked Britain and didn't want to be expelled by the crown for upsetting them.

Now, since Chomsky obviously doesn't know a single slave (he met many slaves when he went to Vietnam and praised the government controlling those slaves) nor has ever met one in the United States, ever, what is your point?

Did Chomsky disagree with British colonialism? If he did he should be pleased that the British empire is all but a memory. It is history.

So I guess we are back to the point of Hanoi Chomsky's speech praising the Vietnamese Communists. Has Chomsky ever commented on the slavery of the Russians under Lenin, Stalin, or the slavery of the Chinese under Mao, or the slavery of the Cambodians under Pol Pot? :eek:

He may have overlooked those points in history where slavery was certainly the most horrific and deadly. :eek:

JK
 
Questioninggeller said:


I thinking pointing out hipocrisy and hating are two different things. Correct me if I am wrong, but to make things better you have to address them? If you don't address the problems that plague society, we might still have the same ideology that supported things like slavery, British colonialship, ect. (I not going to give a history lesson). To dismiss Chomsky, is fine, but to say that he hates America that's just a Ad Hominem. Please support his "bad view points" with fact, not just personal political attitude. If he speaks in you area, I'll buy a ticket for you so you can debate with him... I'd like to see that.
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Good points.

I'm always disappointed and quite a bit scared when disagreeing with the majority equals 'hating' them. I thought (when I moved to the US) that I moved to the incarnation of freedom of speech, where my disagreement would be appreciated, not interpreted as hatred? :confused:

Aren't this how our enemies are supposedly thinking, while we, on the other hand, appreciate open exchange of viewpoints?
 
Bjorn said:
Good points.

I'm always disappointed and quite a bit scared when disagreeing with the majority equals 'hating' them. I thought (when I moved to the US) that I moved to the incarnation of freedom of speech, where my disagreement would be appreciated, not interpreted as hatred? :confused:

Aren't this how our enemies are supposedly thinking, while we, on the other hand, appreciate open exchange of viewpoints?
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Well if you are scared about what you perceive as a lack of the exchange of viewpoints, you must be terrified that there is only one viewpoint on most American college universities--the leftist, commie viewpoint.

But together Bjorn, you and I can begin to break through that darkness and bring light and truth to the leftists that have an illegitimate stranglehold on the minds of the youth. You and I can end your fear of the known isolation of debate at the university level. Join me, my apprentice.

JK
 
Jedi Knight said:


Well if you are scared about what you perceive as a lack of the exchange of viewpoints, you must be terrified that there is only one viewpoint on most American college universities--the leftist, commie viewpoint.

But together Bjorn, you and I can begin to break through that darkness and bring light and truth to the leftists that have an illegitimate stranglehold on the minds of the youth. You and I can end your fear of the known isolation of debate at the university level. Join me, my apprentice.

JK
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Apprentice?

You're going to teach me gravity or something? :p
 
Bjorn said:
Apprentice?

You're going to teach me gravity or something? :p
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LOL, Bjorn...everytime i think about that Gravity thread I cough coffee all over my keyboard.

Do you think it would be possible to start another one. I miss the old "marbles are excempt from gravity" Jedi theories.....:D
 
The Fool said:


LOL, Bjorn...everytime i think about that Gravity thread I cough coffee all over my keyboard.

Do you think it would be possible to start another one. I miss the old "marbles are excempt from gravity" Jedi theories.....:D
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Those were the days, my friend ...:p

As for memories, check out Tricky's collection in 'Flame Wars'!
 
Jedi Knight said:


... Join me, my apprentice.

JK
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Practially speaking, in order for one to have an apprentice, one must be a master at their craft and the craft has to be something of value (othewise no one would bother to learn it).

Granted that JK is a master at throwing around insults that are almost amusing as they are obsolete (leftist this, communist that, etc.).

However, JK knows virtually nothing about other issues in which he expresses expertize such as math, physics, evolution, and history. Therefore, the scrap value of two empty soda cans is worth more than all of his master craftsman skills.

Ugh!
 
Here's a tip for children everywhere from ages 8 to 80.

You can make an excellent "telephone" fron two empty soda cans and a piece of string.

Simply pucture a small hole in the base of each can using a sharp object (best get an adult to do this) then thread the string inside the cans and put a sizeable knot at each end.

Pull the string tight between the cans and presto, hours of recycled fun for all the familly.

You could even use it to plan a "secret mission" to overthrow some leftwing/commie dictatorship somewhere, the possibilities are just endless.

Have fun!!
 
Jedi Knight said:


The United States abolished the slave trade in 1808. Internal slavery ended in 1865. No communist was involved in the eradication of slavery in this country. Marx commented on American slavery, but did nothing to interfere politically with it. Marx didn't even get done with his written Manifesto with Engels until 1848.
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The Emancipation Proclamation was the single largest forced redistribution of wealth in the western hemisphere, next to which the whole history of Cuba is small potatoes.
 
DrMatt said:


The Emancipation Proclamation was the single largest forced redistribution of wealth in the western hemisphere, next to which the whole history of Cuba is small potatoes.
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I agree. The backbone of the southern economy was via slave value. The North knew that so the freeing of slaves became important when seccessionist rhetoric lead to war.

JK
 
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