Hamas crimes against humanity

[Tin Foil Timothy]

Respected by you and others with a predisposition to find fault with Israel, not respected by those who know their records of bias toward Israel and inaccurate reporting. If the IDF were to drop feathers on Gaza, they would be condemned for war crimes by these groups. B'Tselem and the other NGOs are largely funded by leftwing sources and they know its in their own best interests to bash Israel because that's where the money is.

That suggests prejudice. prejudice is pre-judgment.

Every criticism I level at Israel is based upon post-judgment. And the same goes for everyone else I've seen here who are criticizing Israel for it's racist persecutions, atrocities and thug terrorist Army.

You're welcome to call it postjudice, but not prejudice

 

[Marc39]

That suggests prejudice. prejudice is pre-judgment.

Every criticism I level at Israel is based upon post-judgment. And the same goes for everyone else I've seen here who are criticizing Israel for it's racist persecutions, atrocities and thug terrorist Army.

You're welcome to call it postjudice, but not prejudice

You are unable to provide me a legally sound definition of the war crimes you reflexively associate with Israel (Don't bother running to Wiki, their definition is not complete) and now you want to move on to NGOs? First things first.

 

[BabyHeadedMan]

With all due respect, tough shiite. Israel is engaged in war with savages and targeted assassinations are an effective part of their security and military tactics. Bunker Busters are a needlessly messy alternative. Unless legally forced to do so, the IDF has no obligation to make public any aspect of these tactics. Those like yourself are motivated more by trying to tie Israel's hands in protecting its national security than in civil rights. Terrorists have no civil rights. As regards Dr. Thabet, sorry, given his senior role in Fatah and his fund-raising activities for organizations who are threats to Israel, I don't stay up at night worrying about the assassination of Dr. Thabet.

It doesn't matter to you that Israel may have essentially murdered someone guilty of no wrongdoing? You don't care that everything is being done behind closed doors, where Israel can designate any standard of evidence, no matter how low, as being sufficient for its operations with impunity?

 

[Marc39]

It doesn't matter to you that Israel may have essentially murdered someone guilty of no wrongdoing? You don't care that everything is being done behind closed doors, where Israel can designate any standard of evidence, no matter how low, as being sufficient for its operations with impunity?

I never said I support the murder of innocent people. I took the time to detail the arduous legal and military process the IDF is required to
undergo--required by the Israeli Supreme Court--for each iindividual assassination. Did you read it? Given that the IDF is being scrutinized under a microscope, what possible upside might the IDF conceivably gain in assassinating innocent people? Answer: There is no upside, only downside. Frankly, considering Hamas purposely assassinates innocents and has no such oversight and is accountable to nobody, with no judicial sytem whatsoever, any fixation on Israel in this regard really demonstrates misplaced priorities and a broken moral compass.

 

[gdnp]

With all due respect, tough shiite. Israel is engaged in war with savages and targeted assassinations are an effective part of their security and military tactics. Bunker Busters are a needlessly messy alternative. Unless legally forced to do so, the IDF has no obligation to make public any aspect of these tactics. Those like yourself are motivated more by trying to tie Israel's hands in protecting its national security than in civil rights. Terrorists have no civil rights. As regards Dr. Thabet, sorry, given his senior role in Fatah and his fund-raising activities for organizations who are threats to Israel, I don't stay up at night worrying about the assassination of Dr. Thabet.

Now hold on. First, you posted that Israel had a system to ensure that targeted assassinations were performed legally. That system included a provision that this was the only viable alternative, and that if possible suspects should be arrested. Thus when someone posts a case where someone is assassinated that it appears could have been arrested, it raises legitimate questions about whether Israel is following its own policies, or whether these are merely window dressing to cover up murder.

When someone presents evidence, as was done in this case you refute it with evidence. No one was debating Thabet's guilt or innocence. What is in question was whether he could have been arrested at acceptable risk. Do you have any evidence that he could not have been?

 

[Marc39]

Another exposing of his vile racist superiority complex.. Are you going to show us diagrams of how Israeli brains are bigger than Palestinian brains next Marc39 ??

The Arab culture denigrates Jews in suggesting in oral and written form that Jews are descended from apes and pigs. This kind of vulgarism is taught to Arab children with the use of cartoons and puppets and poisons their minds for the rest of their lives. I've not seen any such parallels in Israeli society, where school textbooks teach the importance of mutual respect.

 

[Marc39]

Another exposing of his vile racist superiority complex..

No superiority complex on my part, but clear evidence of an inferiority complex with others.

 

[Marc39]

Now hold on. First, you posted that Israel had a system to ensure that targeted assassinations were performed legally. That system included a provision that this was the only viable alternative, and that if possible suspects should be arrested. Thus when someone posts a case where someone is assassinated that it appears could have been arrested, it raises legitimate questions about whether Israel is following its own policies, or whether these are merely window dressing to cover up murder.

When someone presents evidence, as was done in this case you refute it with evidence. No one was debating Thabet's guilt or innocence. What is in question was whether he could have been arrested at acceptable risk. Do you have any evidence that he could not have been?

What evidence has been presented?

 

[Thunder]

The Arab culture denigrates Jews in suggesting in oral and written form that Jews are descended from apes and pigs. This kind of vulgarism is taught to Arab children with the use of cartoons and puppets and poisons their minds for the rest of their lives. I've not seen any such parallels in Israeli society, where school textbooks teach the importance of mutual respect.

Some Jews are taught that Gentiles (especially Arabs) aren't worth one Jewish finger nail and then when the Moshiach comes, the Gentiles will be our slaves.

There is also a good deal of debate within the Talmud as to whether it is ok to steal from Gentiles, kill Gentiles, and commit fraud against Gentiles.

 

[gdnp]

What evidence has been presented?

from post 136:

In some cases, the circumstances under which assassinations were carried out may have rendered them unlawful, regardless of the amount of evidence that exists against the targets. Here is a quote from Amnesty International's case study of the Thabet Thabet assassination from Israel and the Occupied Territories: State assassinations and other unlawful killings:

Quote:
According to his wife, Dr. Thabet Thabet could have been arrested by the Israeli authorities if suspected of any offence without difficulty since he regularly drove to Nablus and each Friday he attended a mosque in Far'un in Area B

 

[Marc39]

from post 136:

Hearsay "evidence" from his wife--hardly an impartial witness--and that's a stretch. Highly unlikely a judge would admit such weak "evidence" This is what I'm talking about. Much of HRW's allegations are based on such "evidence" given to them by "eyewitnesses" Trying to force the IDF to make public classified informaton on highly sensitive military operations based on such flimsy "evidence" would get you laughed out of court. You wouldn't even get into the courtroom. Next case...

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

Hearsay "evidence" from his wife--hardly an impartial witness--and that's a stretch. Highly unlikely a judge would admit such weak "evidence" This is what I'm talking about. Much of HRW's allegations are based on such "evidence" given to them by "eyewitnesses" Trying to force the IDF to make public classified informaton on highly sensitive military operations based on such flimsy "evidence" would get you laughed out of court. You wouldn't even get into the courtroom. Next case...

You're being laughed out of the forum. And your alter-ego will be soon as well.

 

[gdnp]

Hearsay "evidence" from his wife--hardly an impartial witness--and that's a stretch. Highly unlikely a judge would admit such weak "evidence" This is what I'm talking about. Much of HRW's allegations are based on such "evidence" given to them by "eyewitnesses" Trying to force the IDF to make public classified informaton on highly sensitive military operations based on such flimsy "evidence" would get you laughed out of court. You wouldn't even get into the courtroom. Next case...

You may not like the source of the evidence, but then again, I doubt there is any Palestinian source you would find credible. Or any NGO. Which means that unless the Israeli government admits guilt, there is no way to prove to you that an assassination was not justified.

There is an old saying in cards: you can't beat something with nothing. Eyewitness testimony of family and neighbors may not be much, but you have nothing but "Israel has a rigorous secret procedure that they follow, and they have an independent secret review afterwards, and don't release the results for security reasons." Not even a denial of the allegations. Which is nothing.

 

[Marc39]

You may not like the source of the evidence, but then again, I doubt there is any Palestinian source you would find credible.

That's an assumption on your part. I have "Palestinian" friends, although they don't call themselves Palestinian because that whole concept is an invention. They're Arab.

Or any NGO. Which means that unless the Israeli government admits guilt, there is no way to prove to you that an assassination was not justified.

NGOs pick and choose their "causes" based on a subjective political agenda, not necessarily on merit. I speak from personal experience on both the organizational and funding sides. The high-profile causes generate the most contributions and that's the bottom line, so to say. That's why they pay lip service, if even that, to reporting on Gilad Shalit and Hamas human rights abuses. Bashing Israel=Big Bucks.

 

[gdnp]

That's an assumption on your part. I have "Palestinian" friends,

...who chances are were not witnesses to alleged Israeli atrocities. Anyone else you trust?

...although they don't call themselves Palestinian because that whole concept is an invention. They're Arab.

Palestine, an invention, unlike Israel.

Oh, I forgot: Israel was created by God and given to the Jews.

NGOs pick and choose their "causes" based on a subjective political agenda, not necessarily on merit. I speak from personal experience on both the organizational and funding sides. The high-profile causes generate the most contributions and that's the bottom line, so to say. That's why they pay lip service, if even that, to reporting on Gilad Shalit and Hamas human rights abuses. Bashing Israel=Big Bucks.

I've said before, bringing up other human rights abuses that an NGO has not investigated says nothing about the validity of the investigations they have done.

So far, you have discounted testimony given by Palestinian eye witnesses, investigations by NGOs, and if I recall correctly, even the testimony of Israeli soldiers as credible evidence regarding alleged atrocities by Israel.

So I ask again, whose evidence would you trust?

 

[Marc39]

...who chances are were not witnesses to alleged Israeli atrocities. Anyone else you trust?

Say again?

Palestine, an invention

The word "Palestinian" is found nowhere in the Old Testament nor the New Testament nor the Koran, so, yes, an invention.

Oh, I forgot: Israel was created by God and given to the Jews.

Israel was created by a lot of blood, sweat and tears.

I've said before, bringing up other human rights abuses that an NGO has not investigated says nothing about the validity of the investigations they have done.

It speaks volumes about the compromised integrity of the organizations and tarnishes everything they do.

So far, you have discounted testimony given by Palestinian eye witnesses

Palestinian eyewitnesses living in mortal fear of saying one word that Hamas doesn't like? Crucifixion would definitely put a crimp in anyone's day.

I recall correctly, even the testimony of Israeli soldiers as credible evidence regarding alleged atrocities by Israel.

I don't believe you are.

So I ask again, whose evidence would you trust?

Gisele Bundchen, but, I'm a sucker for a pretty face.

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

Israel was created by a lot of blood, sweat and tears.

Yeah all of it belonging to the Palestinians.

And now it's printed on Israeli Terrorist Force T-Shirts!!

 

[Marc39]

Yeah all of it belonging to the Palestinians.

And now it's printed on Israeli Terrorist Force T-Shirts!!

Timmy, you need a gf.

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

Timmy, you need a gf.

Grow up.

 

[DC]

The word "Palestinian" is found nowhere in the Old Testament nor the New Testament nor the Koran, so, yes, an invention.

so? mot of those stupid books are pure fantasy anayway.

the USA is also not mentioned there.....

you are totaly onesided and a racist.
When the Israelis have a right to creat a state in Palestina, then so do the Palestinians.