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HAARP, again?!

For my part as a fairly outspoken and reasonably well-known skeptic, this is a huge conundrum.

The problem we have as skeptics, and especially as skeptic commentators, is that governments (and corporations and individuals) frequently do lie, and frequently do misuse the apparatus of legitimate secrecy and security. And that means there's a legitimate market for bona fide whistle-blowers. As long as human nature is what it is, there will be people who try to get ahead by abusing the system and others who try to get ahead by tattling. It just depends on what's in your character to do. I think there's a whole psychology behind the keeping or disclosing of secrets, and therefore logic and ethics don't by themselves describe the phenomenon.

But the problem comes when there's a nugget of truth in the middle of the ball of crap some conspiracy theorist has devised. It would be nice to say that all secret-keepers are altruistic and conscientious. It would be nice to rebut a conspiracy theory by the credible argument that Powers That Be are universally trustworthy. But since they can point to some malfeasance, it stands to reason in their minds that some other kind of malfeasance is just as credible even if the evidence differs.

Every whistle-blower is, to some extent, an attention-seeker. Blowing the whistle has an objective benefit, yes. But there is also a payoff in being recognized as the whistle-blower. The benefit of the revelation attaches to you personally. Hence every whistle-blower has to be treated with some degree of skepticism. At some point in psyche or time, the altruism gives way to egotism. And you have to stop believing them at that point.

Now for some that point comes relatively quickly, because their whole point in coming forward was simply to get attention. They have no real knowledge and are just looking to stir the pot, to get retribution, or to have their 15 minutes of fame. I don't think Snowden is one of these. But there are plenty, and they do a lot of damage and they do attract a lot of conspiracy theorists because the outrageous stores the faux whistle-blowers tell tend to be exactly the ones the conspiracy theorists want to hear. It's a symbiosis of crap.

But then you have people trying to co-opt the conscientious legitimate whistle-blowers by attributing to them things they never said or did, or by goading them into embellishing the truth. Just like in the Apollo hoax stories, every astronaut is Neil Armstrong. And every whistle-blower (the archetype needed in so many conspiracy theories) today is Snowden.
 
You've got to wonder, with a super-weapon like HAARP in our arsenal, which can not only cause earthquakes and hurricanes, but can kill people or render them insane at will, why exactly did we use conventional military forces in Iraq and Afghanistan? Couldn't we have accomplished our goals a lot more effectively without killing and wounding military personnel?
The downfall of every CT -- "yes, but what about x?". They have a tendency to look convincing on the surface... until you actually think about them, and remember that we live in the real world, not in some sci-fi novel.
 
Bump.

The nonsensical HAARP conspiracy theories, so profitable to some, nearly caused a tragedy. Two idiotic USAian conspiracy nuts from Georgia were arrested last Thursday preparing to "save people's souls" by attacking the UAF research facility.
Michael Mancil and James Dryden Jr. claimed that "God told them to go and blow this machine up that kept souls, so souls could be released". Vickers also told media that he and Mancil believes it keeps people's souls from getting to heaven. They were arrested with a selection of firearms, body armour and thousands of rounds of ammunition.

More.
Georgia men plotted attack on Alaska aurora research facility to 'release souls,' detective says
2 accused of armed plot to overtake ex-U.S facility
Suspected terrorists believe research facility controls minds, traps souls
 
Bump.

The nonsensical HAARP conspiracy theories, so profitable to some, nearly caused a tragedy. Two idiotic USAian conspiracy nuts from Georgia were arrested last Thursday preparing to "save people's souls" by attacking the UAF research facility.
Michael Mancil and James Dryden Jr. claimed that "God told them to go and blow this machine up that kept souls, so souls could be released". Vickers also told media that he and Mancil believes it keeps people's souls from getting to heaven. They were arrested with a selection of firearms, body armour and thousands of rounds of ammunition.

More.
Georgia men plotted attack on Alaska aurora research facility to 'release souls,' detective says
2 accused of armed plot to overtake ex-U.S facility
Suspected terrorists believe research facility controls minds, traps souls

That is a tad nutty to destroy HARRP they would have had to pull the switch in the ark behind the unicorn pen while balancing the sacred chalice on their forehead
 
As a Deep Agnostic I always look at these cases and wonder how a society is supposed to discern between legitimate religious belief and delusional psychosis.

The two men were charged with selling methamphetamine, possession of marijuana, and possession of a weapon during the commission of a crime, WALB reported. Mancil was also charged "with use of a telecommunication device in committing or facilitating a felony."

Yep, meth. There's your checkbox item.
 
I know this has to be BS, I don't think Snowden is this dumb, but it did make me laugh.



Source

That's right, they'll make you act NUTS!!!!

This source is now more than 3 years old but frankly speaking when I read below statement I come to the conclusion that this HAARP thing does not seem to have achieved its objectives.

“The HAARP research station,” he said, “strategically based away from prying eyes near Gakona, Alaska, is actually used to terminate or manipulate would-be dissidents of global capitalism on the scale of millions of people.”

Added Snowden, using finger quotes, “With these terrestrial antennas, NATO [the North Atlantic Treaty Organization] is able to, on a global scale, remotely silence ‘perpetrators’ of ‘deviant or subversive’ strains of thought.”

I Trump becomes president of the United States I would advise him to use the FEMA camps instead if he wants to silent his opponents. :D
 
The Punt PI episode about the hum is worth listening to. It includes stuff about HAARP in which he is a little disappointed to find: 1) it isnt secret. 2) It is now run by a university and is not in military hands. 3) It had not been switched on in years.
 

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