Merged H3 Gold detector? Wha?

Eh, hold a sec... What would you pay for a device that can locate buried treasure from 5 miles away? $10,000 is a bargain. I'd pay $100,000.

If it works.

And isn't a dowsing rod scam.

But many people fail to use basic critical thinking skills:

"What is the likelihood that some uneducated rube has figured out how to detect treasure from 5 miles away?"

"What is the likelihood that someone who invents such a device will spend all his time selling the device, instead of using it?"

"How can I determine whether this thing is for real, or a scam?"

The third question is the most important, because at some point some uneducated rube just might invent such a device, and decide to share the joy instead of keeping it all to himself.
 
OK, below is a pic of the major components. There is the main unit, a notebook computer, a (what I call) "sidekick" dowsing rod, a BNC cable to connect the sidekick dowsing rod to the main unit, and a USB cable to connect the notebook to the main unit.

Not shown are the battery chargers and the carry case.

Ohhhh, a BNC connector- Just like on lab equipment and military gear. That convinces me. As soon as the price comes down a bit I'm gonna buy me one of these.
 
Setting a frequency is not what I'd call programming and would hardly require a netbook.
That is all just camouflage around a dowsing rod. Scam.

True, but the PC software does set the frequency via USB, so it really does do something. The real reason for the PC is so the company can control this access and charge annual fees to keep it "working".
 
This is fascinating. I really want to hear more about this ridiculous shushmaker.



My grandfather served on a warship in WWII. One day, the top brass in the military came aboard. They told the crew that the US was looking for any sort of technology to help fight the Nazis and asked if anyone had any special skills. My grandfather raised his hand and reported that back in Poland, he had apprenticed as a shushmaker. He offered to demonstrate. They brought all sorts of electronics parts onto the deck, including mines and torpedoes. For two days, he soldered, wired and welded until he had created a large contraption about ten feet high. The admirals and generals all gathered around to watch the demonstration. Twenty sailors helped him move it to the side. They pushed it over into the water wherein it promptly sank to the bottom of the ocean with an audible "shushhhhhhh."

I'm sorry that wasn't funnier.
 
Below are close-ups of the 2 circuit boards found in the H3Tec. The first is the DDS signal generator. It has the AD9850 DDS and an Atmel micro, along with some support chips (USB, power supply, etc.). I have not found a source for this board so if anyone recognizes it let me know.

The second is the magnetometer board. This one is $50-60 and can be found here:

http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=244
 

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I have obtained an H3Tec unit and performed testing and a complete teardown of the device. As I get time, I will post pics and discussions of what I found, and also various communications with the Christensens in which they threaten me. This should be entertaining!

Yikes - nothing since August 25!

[PARANOIA] TechHead - Are you still with us!!! [/PARANOIA]

Looking forward to hearing more about this.
 
Call to action

Many of you have shown an interest in this issue. Now, do something about it!

I have today written to the FBI regarding H3TeSee thread here:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=183541

We are a bit concerned that Techhead seems to have gone quiet although his earlier work is greatly appreciated.

Anyway, I amn sure that US citizens complaining to the FBI will be more effective than UK based like me.

Here's the text of my tip off sent via the main FBI website. You may wish to put in your own words.

Dear Sir/Madam,

Reference: H3Tec, P.O. Box 150433, Ogden, UT 84015 P: 602.464.3832
C: 801.814.6577 F: 801.475.498 E: Chuck@h3tec.com
W: www.h3tec.com

The FBI will be well aware of previous fraudulent detector cases in the U.S. Notably Quadro Tracker and Sniffex.

We have yet another case of the same essential fraud with the H3Tec. I refer you to the following source for information:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=183541

The FBI will recall that it was the JREF/James Randi, who originally raised concerns about Quadro Tracker, Sniffex and other similar frauds such as the ADE651

The company involved claim to have independent test data to corroborate their claims for the product, but are very shy about releasing it.

When challenged to take independent testing, say at MIT, they avoid the question entirely, and launch personal attacks on the people asking the questions.

Our key question is this. If the H3Tec is so marvellous, wouldn't anyone sensible get independent testing, and if successful publicise the results. That way they would get instant Worldwide interest and become very rich, very quick.

That Chuck Christensen at H3Tec does not do so is clear evasion suggesting strongly that he is fully aware that he is committing a fraud by misrepresenting the H3tec as capable of detecting anything except corrupt or gullible buyers.

As with the Quadro Tracker and Sniffex cases we hope you will wish to take action against this product and company.

I am sure that Dale Murray at Sandia Laboratory would be happy to carry out any necessary testing to confirm what we say.

These units sell for in the region of $10000 plus, so each one is a signifcant fraud in itself. They claim to be selling a lot, so it may well be a fairly major case of fraud both within the U.S.A. borders and Internationally.

Many thanks for your interest, and we hope to hear of action soon, particularly if, as H3Tec claim, they have any Official customers.

I wish to keep my name and details confidential as we have been dealing with some unsavoury characters in our wider campaign against these frauds.

Should you wish for any credentials, we are dealing with a number of UK Members of Parliament e.g. Bob Stewart and Patrick Mercer, along with the City of London Police

Lets see H3Tec run out of town, preferably tarred and feathered like the turkeys they are!!
 
"What is the likelihood that someone who invents such a device will spend all his time selling the device, instead of using it?"

Actually, that part I believe. I'm prepared to bet that people selling equipment and supplies to the goldrushers made more money on average than the people panning Californian rivers for gold did.

The rest screams "SCAM" incredibly loudly to me but if I made a portable treasure detector, I'd be selling it, too.
 
Not Speculation

That price might be misleading because there is speculation that part of the $60,000 was returned in the form of kickbacks to corrupt officials.

Definitely accumulation by bribery, hence the arrest on corruption charges of General al Jabiri in Iraq. We know for a fact and have evidence with the UK Police that significant portion of the prices paid were kicked back via ProSec and General Pierre hadji Georgiou in Lebanon.

Now folks, instead of debating the finer points here, and with respect, anyone going to write to FBI re H3Tec, or help our bro in Mexico, Andres Tonini, get media coverage and official action on the GT200 scam there?

Sorry, but less chat, more action please!!!
 
I will post pics and discussions of what I found, and also various communications with the Christensens in which they threaten me.

If they have threatened you with violence, contact the police immediately.

If they have threatened you with lawsuits, laugh in their faces. To bring a lawsuit, one must show actual damages. To show damages, one must open one's accounting books to show the period before and the period after the damaging statements were made. I have yet to encounter a con artist that is prepared to make all his financial records public. Of course, taking advice from someone on the internet is always a gamble. If I were you I would take any letter they have sent you and forward it to state and federal officials and ask what you should do if someone is selling a product that does not work as advertised and is threatening to sue you for telling the truth about it.

http://www.attorneygeneral.utah.gov
http://www.consumerprotection.utah.gov/complaints/index.html

Here's one for people trying to defraud the military or their families
http://www.ftc.gov/sentinel/military/index.shtml
https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/

Anyone who sells a bomb detector that cannot work (that is incapable of working under any circumstance) is walking down the path to negligent homicide charges as soon as someone dies. Therefore, I would go medieval on their asses. If someone's greed is so great that they are willing to sell a product that ensures there will be deaths, then that person deserves the full force of the law to come reigning down on them.

If you are still afraid, please PM your information to someone on this board.
 
I Second That Emotion

1. Everything ladewig says. techead or anyone else who has any reason to wish to remain anonymous, please feel free to PM me or Techowiz and we will abslutely guarantee we will not reval any personal information that might identify you.

I will personally assume all risk of libel or other legal action, wherever and whenever. No one else need put their head above the parapet. However, see below.

2. I repost from another thread in case you do not see it there.

Originally Posted by Dan O. View Post
I would think that the FBI would be more interested in the weight of the evidence rather than the weight of the mail. One clear statement that spells out who broke the law, what law was broken and the evidence that supports the claim would come off much better than a bunch of nutters on the internet making the same nebulous claim and dropping names of important people.

The FBI gets flooded with submissions to their tip line. There is probably some serious filtering that sorts out the chaff before the wheat gets passed to a human to read. Everything though gets indexed into a searchable database. When writing such tips, it's good to fill them with relevant key information. But dropping unrelated names into the tip could get them inadvertently mixed up in the investigation.
Right. Appreciate the reply. What I was really saying was I understood the unlikelihood of them taking up my one request (but you never know, we have had some great results from the odd email here and there!)

MY RESPONSE: What I was really saying is that it is down to US skeps to nail this one and that a specific complaint from Randi etc might do the trick!

I have written to DJ Grothe to ask for a SWIFT challenge, but know how snowed they are! And appreciate resources and time are limited,

In the past we have had Longtabber and Techhead on here, plus others who could no doubt quickly put together a good fat file to hand in. Maybe if they do the research, and others, then Randi would agree to hand over?

Anyhow, what I would really love to see is more action. Especially given we have made such great progress here, and will continue to do so.

Thank you for listening in folks!!
 
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SORRY!!!!!! But more...

This is a long post, so if time is short best not to read, but if you care about this issue, and believe, like me, that it is a winnable cause, then please bear with me:

H3TEC CORRESPONDENCE:
CHUCK RESPONDS TO MY LATEST CHALLENGES AND MY RESPONSE TO HIM. HIS FULL EMAIL TO ME AT END.

MY RESPONSE (NO PLAUDITS FOR MY UNUSUAL RESTRAINT PLEASE!)

Dear Chuck,

Please note, I will be publishing your email and my reply on my blog, as well as sending it around our network.

Thanks to the internet, a supreme example of human technology and evolution.

I will not fully respond to your ad hominem attack as it diverts from the key issues, and is irrelevant, whether you have your analysis and diagnosis of me right or wrong.

I will largely leave it at the fact that such diversionary tactics do not wash. While I freely admit to some ad hominem towards you, we can leave that alone now.

It is up to you to publicly and properly prove your extraordinary claims. Not for us to prove our case against you. So far you have failed conclusively,

So, here I will refrain from name calling back, since I seem to have got your attention.

So, to your main points (your edited answers in red, followed by my responses. I will publish the full text of your email so all can see my editing):

1. Our technology was completely vetted by two national laboratories(that to universities recommended)


Which National laboratories? Where? Who? When?

2. (that to universities recommended)

Which Universities?

Where are the reports of the test protocols and the results data published?

If not, why not?

3. and some independent businessmen who did so before they could nominate the technology for the Stoel Rives / Utah technologies innovation awards. Of course I didn’t win the overall prize, but I did come in second. We took the best in state, and the IQ awards.


Who? What credentials? Under what conditions? Where? When?

I need to point out here that it is easy to be fooled by demonstrations of dowsing. Many have been. Every other one of your fellow dowser salesman has offered such demonstrations to us at one time or another.

Why do we reject these offers?

Because we know that a demonstration can be rigged. Because we know that unless under fully controlled, double blind, replicable conditions it means nothing whatsoever.

We also know that people in this trade are easily bribed.

Personal testimony means nothing. Anecdotal evidence means nothing.

So, all in all we only ever rely on scientific testing. It is the only valid, legitimate approach.

So, your award means nothing without all the information and data as to how you 'won' it? And if that then reasonably supports your claims and can be replicated.

4. We’ve been in business for over 10 years. Never been sued, nor do we have any dissatisfied customers due to our technology or business practice.

If so why isn't every branch of the US Armed Forces, Security Services, every private security company, every mining company every treasure hunting club, every oil company, every whatever else industry you try to sell your way into, already using H3Tec? Surely ten years is all an apparent miracle needs in this day and age to take hold?

As for lack of customer complaints, I would say that this is almost certainly down to embarassment. No one, especially Public Officials wants to admit they are wrong, if they discover your kit cannot and does not operate after they have paid $10 000 USD or more. There is a long old history of post-embarassment cover ups. In fact, I would venture that most so called conspiracy theory is nothing of the sort, but that post-event cover ups of ignorance, stupidity, or corruption to save face are an extremely common problem.

I would bet a buck to nothing that you cannot produce a substantial history of shills and suckers owning up. versus those who did not. Luckily thay are nearly always caught out eventually. Your odds are now very short.

So, onto:

5. Maybe you should talk to General Shultz or Lt. Col. Mitton who asked H3 to train their troops.


Either you provide us with their full contact details, or we will track these people down, and gently explain, if true they are using your kit, to get over to MIT pronto.

Quite a few so called military men (and in their cases I use military very lightly indeed) have been suckered or sucked into this fraud. Witness: General al Jabiri, Iraq; Colonel John Wyatt, SDS Group Ltd, UK; Horizon Group, India, General Pierre Hadji Georgiou
Note: all retired, as far as we know.

Their military positions and self proclaimed expertise got them nowhere fast. Jabiri is charged with corruption, White is under investigation by UK Police, Georgiou is under investigation by International authorities. We are yet to pin down where we are up to in India with Horizon Group, but we will.

Military/Official title does not offer immunity to stupidity or corruption. I could quote you reams of history to demonstrate this.

However, let me state here and now that I have the greatest respect for the Armed Forces as a whole. I am no peacenik, or anti-Military nut, as a matter of personal philosophy.

In fact, if I haven't told you before, I am partially motivated by my love, respect and friendship for, and with Lt Cmdr P, US Navy Seal, Underwater EOD. Sadly no longer with us. This man was a true hero. Served in Vietnam, behind enemy lines. A man who did many other services for his country. A man who rose from a poor background to the Navy Academy. Now, he was a man of god, but he never ever preached his god, or tried to sell his god to anyone. His was a personal god.

He, along with many other men and women I have met who have served with distinction, far greater than I have or ever can, are my personal heroes.

He hated bovine scatology.

I will not reveal his full name for the sake of his family, as I would never want any of them subjected to an attack like yours on me.

Not that I mind because I have the hide of a rhino!

Now, back to the key issues.

6. I will give you a personal invitation to come over and let H3 take you around to our Oil rigs, our gold & silver mines that were all started because the H3 told us there were resources there.

All we need for now is the co-ordinates of these facilities, and some official, verifiable documentation of their operation and output. I will explain, we will carry out a study, to determine what the density of already known similar, or indicative mineral deposits/known geological indications there were in the areas you are supposedly operating in.

The net yield/value of the deposits you claim to have discovered. The density of previous treasure hunting in these areas, and verifiable recorded finds. The full history of mining in the area.etc. that will determine whether you could, in any real likelihood, have used H3tec to discover any proven, significant mined deposits without any other means whatsoever. From this we can work out some odds of therefore discovering such deposits by chance.

We also ask that you will agree to any challenge from any recognised institution e.g. MIT. Cambridge University, The Geological Society, The Smithsonian Institute, Imperail College London; The Royal Society; or similar, World renowned scientific establishment.

O.K. If you can get anywhere near to answering these questions with any degree of lucidity, and avoiding calling me a girly boy, which seriously does not work, then you may be on the road to redemption.

I have demonstrated I have listened as you asked, by deconstructing your so called evidence. The ball is in your court.

If you do wish to take me to Court, my answer is, why not come over and try our Libel laws? They can be very generous if you win!! Mind you, I think Eady is on his way out. Alternatively, I will happily respond in any of the following jursidictions: New York City; Washington D.C.; Boston, Mass; or any other U.S location where there has been a terrorist outrage or mass shooting incident in the past: Madrid, Spain; Baghdad, Iraq; Denmark; Holland; Greece; France; Canada; New Zealand; Australia; Sweden; Norway; South Africa; Germany; Thailand; Mexico; Belgium; Romania; Moscow; China.

I will consider other proposals, but nowhere where religious faith may dominate proceedings.

Or, you could go for extradition?

In fact, I think I might test your suggestion that I am on the U.S. "no fly list" theorem soon.

If you issue legitimate, verifiable proceedings against me, in any reasonable jurisdiction, acceptable to me, I will personally appear.

That is a promise.

I hope all that read this understand. Now that we know thousands have lost their lives, and liberty and reasonable freedoms, and vast amounts of money wasted because of this scandal, it simply does not have much of a shelf life left, at least on an International trade and Western Governments level.

After that Asia, Africa, and South America can catch up when they can.

If you do your research we have done it in Thailand, where we have embarassed one of the most corrupt Governments on Earth into carrying out proper testingt that proved the GT200, Alpha 6, and HEDD1 (formerly Sniffex) were frauds. We have won in Iraq and In the UK.

We can and will do this anywhere we choose to target.

We will essentially shut down this trade to all but the most fanatical dowsers, and perhaps a handful of suckers here and there, but not on such a vast scale as we have seen so far.

And to finish, in our short, meaningless little lives here on this wonderous planet, in this fabulous universe, we will, in our little way, have contributed far more than you ever do. My credit in this is of little or no importance. Everywhere you look I credit others and seek no fame. But, if you want to call me out for a proper fight (legal of course) in a proper arena, out I shall jolly well come.

Looking forward to your response.

END OF RESPONSE.

There you have it folks. I think it's checkmate...but who am I to say?

HIS FULL EMAIL TO ME:

It seems everyone thinks you are crazy. I don’t think you are, but you have a egomaniac complex which is most likely caused from a bi-polar condition. You suffer from personality transference where you are insignificant to the world, and thru this in your mind become someone when you are being a TV personality. I don’t mean Television either.

I will answer the question… No you listen to my answer. Our technology was completely vetted by two national laboratories(that to universities recommended), and some independent businessmen who did so before they could nominate the technology for the Stoel Rives / Utah technologies innovation awards. Of course I didn’t win the overall prize, but I did come in second. We took the best in state, and the IQ awards. Any of your “buddies” done that ? This is all public information and while you are posting your “opinion” on line you should also post facts. I know it won’t work for you as that is not what is inside you. You wouldn’t know right from wrong if it jumped up and bit you.

You are a pathetic little girly boy. It must be sad to be trapped in your mind. I’m still praying for you that you will find some peace and happiness. It’s much more fun to do work in the light and not scurry from it like a cockroach.

We’ve been in business for over 10 years. Never been sued, nor do we have any dissatisfied customers due to our technology or business practice. Can you say that for anything you have ever done? I doubt it very much…

So try as you will God will confound your efforts as He is right now. I get emails from all the folks you are sending your questions too. They all state you must be crazy and that the feel so sorry for you that you are wasting your time and efforts. Most of them think you are capable of doing damage to them. Personally if you are truly in England I’m sure you can’t get a plane ticket to the USA as you are on the no fly list and have been diagnosed as a lunatic. Must be a dark place you live in. I will give you a personal invitation to come over and let H3 take you around to our Oil rigs, our gold & silver mines that were all started because the H3 told us there were resources there. So when you talk about billions of dollars, I’m sure you don’t have to shekels to rub together. I’m pretty sure we are doing just fine, and not from sales, we do that as a side line to our non hobby business. Maybe you should talk to General Shultz or Lt. Col. Mitton who asked H3 to train their troops. Oh but, you think in your mind that we are a fraud… silly little girly boy…. Make sure you keep on your medication as prescribed, don’t drink so much and walk a few miles every day. Get healthy you will be much more happy. Get your criminal problems over so you can come to the states and go out with on a project. We have so many we can’t keep up and you could help.

We are praying for you and please know you are in our good thoughts.
 
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Forgive me if you think me delusional, but I think two things come from our campaign:

1. Some success.

2. A framework for other campaigns, whether homeopathy or ....... We will try to establish a database of skeptics, so that we can campaign far more effectively and quickly across the World.

Grandiose? yes/ but technically simple. So, let's win this war and the next. We cannot cure World poverty overnight, but we sure can slam Hundreds of Millions of Dollars of scams very quickly if we have the will. Petitions do not do it. Concerted campaigns of targeted tactics work.
 
We are a bit concerned that Techhead seems to have gone quiet although his earlier work is greatly appreciated.

Sorry, I'm still around. I have more info, if I can just find the time to get it organized. I'm in the process of writing a complete technical report on the H3, with lots of photos.

Meanwhile, if you want a little entertainment, go to this thread and read the email exchanges with Chuckie.

Now, why the heck was my original thread "H3Tec: A detailed look at a dowsing rod scam" merged into this thread? My thread was the #1 hit when you Google "H3Tec scam" and now it leads to a dead-thread message. C'mon JREF mods, don't mess things up!
 

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