GW: Separating facts from fiction

Whereas you, you're some guy on the net, making unsubstantiated claims backed by zero evidence on a sceptics page.
And you are some other guy in the net (without any knowledge of the issue, no specialized -succesful- website of any kind, and no information provided up to now -besides some common useless press releases), that does not know or have ever talked to many of the crooks at the WMO as I constantly do.

It makes a difference.

Well. what about less URL links and more bone in the meat. Let's have something really technical to see the degree of understanding you really have. Come on. Don't be chicken...
 
You're always linking the same web page over and over. And on that last "ghostbusting temperatures" link of yours, all the listed links lead nowhere.

"Manipulated", eh? Are you implying some kind of conspiracy?
1) I link to where is good data.

2) Thanks for the tip of links not working. I checked and saw the CO2science.org has changed the address of their articles. Follow these:


Try this link for the USHCN Data Repository. But if they refuse your entry is becasue you need a subsciption to the site. I have one, but...

3) No need for a conspiracy. There are simple a lot of people taking care their paycheck keeps coming every month. If they don't provide alarming, scary results, they won't get funds. No one is interested in funding studies that say "everything is OK."

If scientists give assuring information (as "global warming not so bad as previously thought") they get a kick in the bottom of their pants. It has happened to some friends, so don't say I am exaggerating.

Then comes a terrible issue: if you want to advance in your career you must publish your work in fashionable journals as Science and Nature. Otherwise funds start to dry out. But as Science and Nature will never publish anything against "Catastrophic GW" then you must lower your head and try that your view of the world be of the worst kind possible. Sad, but the truth.
 
Edufer, do you also believe "“Inmunity is not a inherited trait. It is aquired by single specimens that do not transmit their immunity down to their offspring.”
You have been taking a tour at Tim Lambert's blog, hein, naughty boy? The issue is still debated so there are many studies pointing to one directon and many in the opposite one. Me? I don't know now what to think, as I am not a genetist or molecular biologist. I am more into atmospheric physics and nuclear energy. So try to stick to the topic or I might be entitled to ask you if you like being gay.
 
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So?

Oh man, that's just too funny. Except for 2005 with the abnormally low October-December period, you see "cooling trends" because you're fitting a straight line to yearly temperature data, which is naturally sinusoidal. Those downward trends are caused by the fact that January is usually the warmest month of the year in the southern hemisphere, winter occurs in the middle of the year and December is only the beginning of summer and therefore not as warm in general as the following 2 months. If you chose to begin each graph in fall and end it in summer, by fitting straight lines you'd get warming "trends" every year... I'd call this linear regression sophistry.
 
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Varwoche calls M&M 'gibbering buffoons' and as part of an attempt to make a point. Yet M&M have been invited by the NRC to participate in a study of "Surface Temperature Reconstructions for the Past 1,000-2,000 Years". Varwoche wasn't invited. I don't know, but I do wonder where that places Varwoche relative to 'gibbering buffoons'.

By the way, A&W had their paper rejected by GRL shortly after the date of the Varwoche link. You can read about it here. 2nd and 3rd items.

Varwoche posts about McIntyre's qualifications and calls him a 'world class bozo' then posts a link to a blog post about McKitrick as proof. Makes me wonder where that places Varwoche relative to 'world class bozo's'.

Classification of people by use of ad hominem remarks, makes a rational discussion of issues much more difficult than it should be.

When it comes to reading linked items I might suggest the way to read them is to stay aware of the amount of certainty demonstrated in the phrasing of sentences. One of the ways I judge the confidence I have in an article is their word usage. Do they use words such as 'possible' instead of 'probable', 'may' instead of 'will', 'could' instead of 'would'. How often do they use the word 'if'. There are many others, but you get the idea.

Just one example from the Woods Hole link posted somewhere previously above. The subheading is 'Study Suggests Climate Models Underestimate Future Warming'
This says to me that they have an indication the climate models might not be right, but they're not at all sure. They're simply putting out a idea for possible futher investigation. An item such as this might be interesting to some, but doesn't qualify as any sort of settled science.
 
Edufer,

It seems some people around here are unwilling to believe what you have said about yourself. Probably due to your attempt to puncture the bubble they seem to live in. I for one have seen no reason to doubt you.

Although it can be very frustrating at times, I hope you will continue to participate in the forums. A number of people here tend to go along with the current popular opinion rather than taking the time to look at things with a critical eye. Your posting may jog a few into a more critical way of thinking.

Anyway. Welcome to the forum.
 
Edufer,

It seems some people around here are unwilling to believe what you have said about yourself. Probably due to your attempt to puncture the bubble they seem to live in. I for one have seen no reason to doubt you.

Although it can be very frustrating at times, I hope you will continue to participate in the forums. A number of people here tend to go along with the current popular opinion rather than taking the time to look at things with a critical eye. Your posting may jog a few into a more critical way of thinking.

Anyway. Welcome to the forum.
I'm willing to listen to Edufer, however it would help if he would minimize the font changes and post links to claims. Otherwise I'm willing to listen to him.
 
Hey AUP,

I noticed in your response to my post about James Hansen calling the models worthless, you didn't offer any opinion. Does your silence imply assent?

You have always been a big advocate for the models and I was hoping you would present your opinion.
 
Varwoche posts about McIntyre's qualifications and calls him a 'world class bozo' then posts a link
Three links actually. Two of them must have missed your attention.

Just one example from the Woods Hole link posted somewhere previously above. The subheading is 'Study Suggests Climate Models Underestimate Future Warming' This says to me that they have an indication the climate models might not be right, but they're not at all sure
Let me see if I have this straight... You have reached an opinion about scientific research based on the subtitle of a press release, and you've posted that opinion on a skeptical forum...? Yikes.

I'm still befuddled and astounded that you cite James Hansen, who's predictions are worse than "the models", in order to dismiss GW out of hand.

Edufer and Lucifuge won't renounce M&M, the non-scientists (aka the gibbering buffoons) who confused degrees and radians. Will you Bob?
 
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Varwoche,

People might give your opinions some consideration if you cut out the slurs and didn't mis-represent what people write by shortening their sentences in a futile effort make them look bad and you look good. Here's the post I commented on.

Apparently I overstated McIntyre's qualifications -- he's a mining executive who earned a math degree some decades ago.

Further, the degrees/radians mistake is but a tip of the iceberg of unrelenting stupidity from this world class bozo.

Here's your corruption of what I wrote.
Varwoche posts about McIntyre's qualifications and calls him a 'world class bozo' then posts a link
Here's my entire paragraph.
Varwoche posts about McIntyre's qualifications and calls him a 'world class bozo' then posts a link to a blog post about McKitrick as proof. Makes me wonder where that places Varwoche relative to 'world class bozo's'.
Since McIntyre is not Mckitrick, and you intentionally mis-represented what I wrote. I find your level of discourse becoming clearer all the time.

P.S.
I looked and looked, but I could only find one link in your post, yet you say three. You count the ones in your sig?:jaw-dropp
 
Let me see if I have this straight... You have reached an opinion about scientific research based on the subtitle of a press release, and you've posted that opinion on a skeptical forum...? Yikes.

But you yourself linked to a press release to do the same thing (Amman and Wahl - an unpublished paper rejected by one Journal as noted earlier in this thread).

I think we should all try to stop taking cheap shots. I reckon there is enough work going on in this field to make for an interesting debate.
 
I looked and looked, but I could only find one link in your post, yet you say three. You count the ones in your sig?:jaw-dropp
So even after being corrected you still persist? See posts 8, 67, and 77. And please address the questions posed to you without personalizing the debate.
 
But you yourself linked to a press release to do the same thing (Amman and Wahl - an unpublished paper rejected by one Journal as noted earlier in this thread).
Same thing as what? I'm not clear on what you mean.

I think we should all try to stop taking cheap shots.
I don't consider it a cheap shot to call non-scientists who purvey garbage in the name of 'debunking' legit expert scientists buffoons. Mileage may vary.
 
Oh man, that's just too funny. If you chose to begin each graph in fall and end it in summer, by fitting straight lines you'd get warming "trends" every year... I'd call this linear regression sophistry.
OK, let’s try again. This link takes you to the original graph (and numerical data) by NASA/GISS: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/g...py?id=301873440003&data_set=1&num_neighbors=1

This is the graph for Córdoba, Argentina:

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Can you see? the last two years have been cooling down -especially 2005, termed the "warmest ever" -after three years of warming, that followed three years of deep cooling (one year with a very slight warming there)

As it can be seen, temperature variations are abundant and wild. As grenhouse warming theory says the lineal CO2 increase must produce an accordingly temperature increase, warming should have been constant. That's not the case anywhere in the world. if you care to make a rgapic tend for Córdoba, you'd see there is a cooling trend since 1987 -that's about the 29 -30 years span needed in climatology for setting a trend.

The same is for most cities in Argentina. So it is not “linear regression sophistry.” It’ just you don’t know too much about meteorology and the way we analyse data. Start with learning, for a change.
 
Edufer,

It seems some people around here are unwilling to believe what you have said about yourself. Probably due to your attempt to puncture the bubble they seem to live in. I for one have seen no reason to doubt you.

Although it can be very frustrating at times, I hope you will continue to participate in the forums. A number of people here tend to go along with the current popular opinion rather than taking the time to look at things with a critical eye. Your posting may jog a few into a more critical way of thinking.

Anyway. Welcome to the forum.
Thanks very much BobK for your kind words and welcome. As for your previous post, you are loaded with common sense. Not very common around here, for what I've seen, with some honorable exceptions.

I was once invited to participate in a closed forum (in the Chemtrail sect -if somebody believes in conspiracies they are the ones!) for discussing global warming, ozone depletion, DDT, etc. After two months of discussion and after filling about five threads with hundreds of webpages, I was expelled from the debate (I was the lonely wolf there) becasue they started to notice many of their believers had started to become "sceptics".

I don't know if the suicide of their spiritual leader had anythng to do with my presence in the debate. :)

BTW, as a skydiver (still active at 68) I know parachutes work better when open. The same with computer and brains: they work better when plugged.
 
I'm willing to listen to Edufer, however it would help if he would minimize the font changes and post links to claims. Otherwise I'm willing to listen to him.
OK, RandFan. I'll try to cut down my playing with font sizes and color. (I love color). I will keep Bold, however. There are things that must be stressed, otherwise they might go unnoticed.
 
OK, RandFan. I'll try to cut down my playing with font sizes and color. (I love color). I will keep Bold, however. There are things that must be stressed, otherwise they might go unnoticed.
That's cool. And don't eliminate font changes completly. Just make them very rare. Hey, when I wanted to call attention to what I was saying I used to BOLD, CAPITALIZE, UNDERLINE AND ITALICISE!!!!!!!

It never seemed to make my case.

Thanks, keep the arguments comming. :)

RandFan
 

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