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Gulp! NYC Mayor Proposes Super-Sized Soda Ban.

The engineer designed a cardboard holder to make carrying two cups as convenient as carrying one.

The programmer waited in line, bought one 16oz drink, finished it, checked to see if he was still thirsty, then got back in line...

The mathematician brought two 16oz drinks and poured them into a 32oz cup, thereby reducing the problem to one already solved.
 
So presumably someone can still order a 32oz diet soda, but when they're given the cup to go to the self-serve machine they can fill it with regular soda, right?

I'm glad New York City exists, makes Chicago look slightly less stupid.
 
LTC8K6 said:
http://www.myfoxny.com/story/18774940/health-panel-talks-about-wider-food-ban

Now they are talking about coming for more stuff that's "bad" for you...
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Since nobody else commented...

One member, Bruce Vladeck, thinks limiting the sizes for movie theater popcorn should be considered.


"The popcorn isn't a whole lot better than the soda," Vladeck said.
Another board member thinks milk drinks should fall under the size limits.


"There are certainly milkshakes and milk-coffee beverages that have monstrous amounts of calories," said board member Dr. Joel Forman.


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The New York City Restaurant Association is fighting the proposal and is considering legal action of it goes into effect.


New York City voters oppose 51 - 46 percent Mayor Michael Bloomberg's proposed ban on the sale of over-sized sugary soft drinks, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released Wednesday.
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I wonder how many people in this meeting are fat?

The arguments for this can be applied to anything. According to this thread, many people believe that if others are doing things that cost they themselves (or society) money, that something should be done about it.

I pay for public schooling and no child of mine will ever attend one. I/we all pay for a lot of things we don't use or agree with. Yes, kids should be educated - general welfare and all that. I feel the school system is broken though and graduating stupid kids. But I pay.

It seems people want the government to have a bigger role in our lives across the board. How is taxing sugary drinks going to help healthcare costs when insurance companies are priva....oh ya, we want the government providing health care for us, I almost forgot.

It's called personal responsibility. For you to have the freedom to do the things you like to do, you need to accommodate other people who have different interests as well. If someone wants to eat themselve to obesity, that is their decision. Ya, it may cost you more money in some way, but do any of your likes or pleasures cost other people money?

If so, what if they start attacking that next?

I'm sick of the government invading my life, but what worries me much more is that so many people these days seem to feel the opposite. Notice that the USAs financial problems are being blamed on us and not the fact that our federal government is bloated beyond control. They keep wanting more! We must not be taxed enough! They deflect responsibility back on us....we're too fat, we're causing the problems. And people are buying it.

If our government wasn't so obese there would be plenty of tax dollars to go around. Don't get mad at your fat neighbor because your bills are so high.
 
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Rolfe said:
Are you sure you have that symbol the right way round?

That's nearly half a litre. Why would anyone want a single serving of Coke more than that?

Rolfe.
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Maybe if you were working out in the sun on a very hot day? I can remember drinking a 1 liter Coke from KFC back in the day, and still being thirsty afterwards.

Now I bring my own Diet Coke to work. I only drink the regular Coke out of the fountain, because diet from the fountain tastes like crap for some reason.
 
If that's why you're drinking it, you need to cultivate the habit of drinking something else.

Rolfe.
 
Rolfe said:
I can only imagine that in a hot climate, people are thirsty enough to drink that much. If the object of the exercise is fluid replacement, they should be drinking mostly water.

I really, really like Irn Bru, but I can't imagine drinking that much in a single serving. It doesn't make any sense.

Rolfe.
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It helps if you realize in places with large drinks such as this the cups are usually fairly stuffed with ice, drastically reducing the amount of drinkable liquid. For soda I have found a bottled 20oz works for me. 591 mL. Going for a 1L soda I often get tired of the sugar before I am finished, and by the time I am thirsty for it again the soda has gone flat. If I get a 32 oz, ~946mL, fountain drink it is pretty close to what I want to drink, getting tired of it right near the end. So I get the impression that a 32 oz fountain drink has close to the same amount of soda as a 20 oz bottle.

However, if I am given small amounts of something I will keep going back to it and end up drinking more than if I just obtained a larger container. I try to avoid packs of cans for that reason, otherwise I will drink one every few hours without thinking as I finish one before getting tired of it, then go grab another when I get thirsty again. For me it is best to stick with water and when I am craving a soda to just go buy a single 20 oz for that one day instead of storing multiple days of soda at home for cheaper.
 
WildCat said:
So presumably someone can still order a 32oz diet soda, but when they're given the cup to go to the self-serve machine they can fill it with regular soda, right?

I'm glad New York City exists, makes Chicago look slightly less stupid.
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May be a stupid question from me, but I am under the impression that the idea here is to capitalize on how lazy people become nowadays when things are not handed to them...

But it is true that cups tends to be filled with a ridiculous amount of ice, too.
 
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Not living in such an environment, I find that sort of pattern of drinking very strange. (I've still got an unopened can of Irn Bru in my bag left over from Wednesday, because when I got to the recording venue where I was singing, cups of tea were provided and I didn't need or want anything else.) I drink a cup of tea with a meal, and maybe once or twice a day I'll have a coffee as well. That's it.

When in a hot climate, I carry bottled water, and drink that. It doesn't interfere with my usual tea/coffee/occasional fizz consumption, which doesn't increase.

Rolfe.
 
Cups are much less common this side of the pond though, aren't they?
I wouldn't be too surprised that the consumption means would alter the patterns there. I would tend to agree with The Fallen Serpent that pack of cans, for instance, tends to not last as long as a plain bigger bottle even if the total volume is the same: if only because once opened a can has to be finished pretty quickly.
 
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Obviously, a bottle with a screw top is essential. I would totally distinguish between drinking as part of "eating and drinking", and essential fluid replacement in the heat. For the latter, you need a sealable container that allows you to drink a mouthful or two as you need it.

Rolfe.
 
They've shown that people will eat more or less food if you serve them more or less. That's why most lifestyle diets nowadays recommend you actually buy smaller plates.

It would not surprise me if the same were true of drinks. I know I don't give the size of my drink a second thought; I finish my 12 oz, 20 oz, or 32 oz cup of soda with my meal. I expect if they shrunk the sizes and capped the largest at 20 oz, I'd never notice.
 
Rolfe said:
If that's why you're drinking it, you need to cultivate the habit of drinking something else.

Rolfe.
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That was back in the 80s, bottled water was still a novelty then. Sometimes we'd have abig cooler with ice water in it, but that got disgusting after a while.

Now it's diet soda for me at work, water has no caffeine. And I never much liked coffee.
 
Sad it is not in Chicago.We could do a whole new TV version of "The Untouchables" with Eliot Ness busting Al Capone and Frank Nitti for selling 32 ounce sodas....
 
Rolfe said:
Not living in such an environment, I find that sort of pattern of drinking very strange. (I've still got an unopened can of Irn Bru in my bag left over from Wednesday, because when I got to the recording venue where I was singing, cups of tea were provided and I didn't need or want anything else.) I drink a cup of tea with a meal, and maybe once or twice a day I'll have a coffee as well. That's it.

When in a hot climate, I carry bottled water, and drink that. It doesn't interfere with my usual tea/coffee/occasional fizz consumption, which doesn't increase.
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That's pretty typical, but it might not be enough for many people's health. I'm supposed (as in, doctor's orders) to drink a minimum 64 oz (a bit less than 2 liters) every day, and except on hot days, to do that I have to measure out that much in a bottle in the morning and pace myself to finish it by the end of the day. (On hot days I deliberately drink more.) As a result I'm never thirsty; if I drink nothing it's about a day before I start feeling thirsty.

I switched from sweetened tea and soda to water when I started doing that, because otherwise it would have been a big increase in calories. I suspect that many people who order a giant 32oz/1-liter soft drink have drunk almost nothing else the entire day, maybe a cup of coffee or two since waking (or even, since dinner the evening before). Really, wouldn't you almost have to be dehydrated to be able to drink that much at one time?

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
The Fallen Serpent said:
It helps if you realize in places with large drinks such as this the cups are usually fairly stuffed with ice, drastically reducing the amount of drinkable liquid. For soda I have found a bottled 20oz works for me. 591 mL. Going for a 1L soda I often get tired of the sugar before I am finished, and by the time I am thirsty for it again the soda has gone flat. If I get a 32 oz, ~946mL, fountain drink it is pretty close to what I want to drink, getting tired of it right near the end. So I get the impression that a 32 oz fountain drink has close to the same amount of soda as a 20 oz bottle.
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Sonic is especially bad at that.

I've gotten drinks at Sonic that are filled with crushed ice and then the drink is added. That's like 80 percent ice.

They sell a "Route 44" fountain soda, 44 ounces. It has maybe one 12 ounce can worth of soda in it if you are lucky.
 
WildCat said:
Maybe if you were working out in the sun on a very hot day? I can remember drinking a 1 liter Coke from KFC back in the day, and still being thirsty afterwards.

Now I bring my own Diet Coke to work. I only drink the regular Coke out of the fountain, because diet from the fountain tastes like crap for some reason.
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The mix is off. Someone needs to call the fountain service people to fix it.
 
OnlyTellsTruths said:
Sonic is especially bad at that.

I've gotten drinks at Sonic that are filled with crushed ice and then the drink is added. That's like 80 percent ice.

They sell a "Route 44" fountain soda, 44 ounces. It has maybe one 12 ounce can worth of soda in it if you are lucky.
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When ordering drinks I specify "light ice" for this very reason.
 
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