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[creativecritter41]

I have a different pool - is the reason for the finding:

a. Damn liberal media
b. Damn liberal state investigators
c. Vendetta/jealousy against Palin for her success
d. All of the above

Edit - I expect this will have no affect on her supporters on this board or those in the real world who already support her. It may affect those that are on the fence.

So what, she got someone fired, at least she isn't "palling" around with a domestic terrorist

She fired a nut bag. He tasered his 10yr step son and his boss didn't fire him. She had every right to step in and make it right. My god, do you ppl really want ppl like this nut going around playing cop? People would be pissed if she didn't fire him. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Neither her or Mccain can do anything right to please ppl that have a boner for Obama.

P.S. I agree with you David.

 

[FaisonMars]

I just read the pdf report that's online. The recommendations for action by the legislature (starting at page 78) amount to amending a few laws to change how medical records are released and to make the complaints process more transparent.

And there are proposals to make laws to distance the police commissioner's office from the governor's sphere of control.

Hopefully they will call this "Sarah's Law."

 

[FaisonMars]

She fired a nut bag. He tasered his 10yr step son and his boss didn't fire him. She had every right to step in and make it right. My god, do you ppl really want ppl like this nut going around playing cop? People would be pissed if she didn't fire him. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Neither her or Mccain can do anything right to please ppl that have a boner for Obama.

Trooper Wooten was never fired... he's still a trooper. Gov. Palin would have loved to fire him, but she did not have the authority. She fired the police commissioner for NOT firing Wooten, although it looks more like it was Todd who had the bee up his ass about Wooten.

All fishy stuff which in isolation probably wouldn't worry me very much, but within a context of other abuse of power and cronyism examples, I think it tells us something about Sarah Palin.

 

[varwoche]

She fired a nut bag. He tasered his 10yr step son and his boss didn't fire him. She had every right to step in and make it right. My god, do you ppl really want ppl like this nut going around playing cop? People would be pissed if she didn't fire him. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Neither her or Mccain can do anything right to please ppl that have a boner for Obama.

You are way confused on the facts. She fired the commissioner, not the trooper. And according to Palin, it was for reasons having nothing to do with the trooper.

 

[Tricky]

Care to venture a quantitative estimate?

Not scientific, but if we say about 10% of the public is undecided and that Obama has increased his lead by 1% since the verdict, that would mean that 10% of undecideds have changed since the verdict. I would guess that maybe half of those were influenced by the case, so let's just make it a very rough 5%.

 

[The Painter]

Trooper Wooten was never fired... he's still a trooper.

If anything needs to be investigated it's this. He drinks beer in the police car, illegally shots a moose and tasers children. This guy needs to fired and fired quickly.

Back to Palin;

I have heard 4 different news reports, 2 on TV ( ABC and CBS ) and 2 on the radio ( WOR and WINS ) That said, at the end of their report on this story, that Palin did not break any laws.

So tell me, did she or did she not, break Alaskan law?

 

[Oliver]

Not scientific, but if we say about 10% of the public is undecided and that Obama has increased his lead by 1% since the verdict, that would mean that 10% of undecideds have changed since the verdict. I would guess that maybe half of those were influenced by the case, so let's just make it a very rough 5%.

I still don't get it. How in the universe can there be "undecided" voters
in light of the state of the union - are those undecided ones straightway
stupid or do they just "like Palin no matter what"??????

 

[GeeMack]

Finding 1 is that Palin violated a vague platitude in the law. The evidence for this is that her inaction amounted to action. I'm not kidding, read the report.

I downloaded a copy of the report from the Alaska State Legislature web site just minutes after it was issued. The version I have says...

People will generally interpret the phrase, "violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act," to mean she broke the law. I'm pretty sure nobody else here sees anything in that comment about "a vague platitude in the law."

And...

Finding 2 is that she acted legally and within her power as governor.

The copy of the report I have says...

This section states, "Governor Palin's firing of Commissioner Monegan was a proper and lawful exercise of her constitutional and statutory authority to hire and fire executive branch department heads." Notice there is a qualifier here regarding the firing of Monegan. Obviously, given that Finding Number One clearly indicates she broke the Alaska law, her acting "legally and within her power as governor" only refers to the specific act of firing Monegan.

So, corplinx, would you mind pointing us to this other version of the report, the one you read which is obviously quite different than the one I got from the Alaska State Legislature web site?

 

[davefoc]

Not scientific, but if we say about 10% of the public is undecided and that Obama has increased his lead by 1% since the verdict, that would mean that 10% of undecideds have changed since the verdict. I would guess that maybe half of those were influenced by the case, so let's just make it a very rough 5%.

Those numbers seem about right to me. If I understand your estimate correctly the issue might be responsible for about a 1% over all shift (.5% more of the population votes for Obama, .5% less votes for McCain.)

That might be in the ball park, but it is confounded by the reverse effect. Palin's name is in the news a lot more and she gets a bump because of the increased publicity.

I wonder how well professional campaign managers understand issues like this. Are they very skilled at estimating the effects of things like this? Are they skilled at figuring out how to maximally exploit this kind of thing? Or is there just a lot of gut feel decision making when it comes to issues like this?

 

[Tricky]

Those numbers seem about right to me. If I understand your estimate correctly the issue might be responsible for about a 1% over all shift (.5% more of the population votes for Obama, .5% less votes for McCain.)

That might be in the ball park, but it is confounded by the reverse effect. Palin's name is in the news a lot more and she gets a bump because of the increased publicity.

Oh sure, she gets a bump in the press, but I don't think it would convince any undecideds. At best, it energizes some of the base who might have otherwise sat out because they don't much like McCain either.

But the effect is there and it coincides with the conclusions of the panel on troopergate. Obama is increasing his lead in the polls. Now there must be a cause, and while I do not claim that it must be because of the panel's conclusion, it seems at least, a likely culprit. Sure, there is an effect in both directions, but I don't know any way to measure net effect other than by seeing how it affects the polls.

Admittedly this is simplistic. There are too many factors to model in the real world, but sometimes you can discern an overweighing factor. Kerry's decline in the polls coincided with the Swift Boating. I don't think it is outlandish to suggest that that was a major cause of his decline.

I wonder how well professional campaign managers understand issues like this. Are they very skilled at estimating the effects of things like this? Are they skilled at figuring out how to maximally exploit this kind of thing? Or is there just a lot of gut feel decision making when it comes to issues like this?

I would say that good campaigners know how to manipulate public opinion. Sadly, I'd also have to say, that the best way to do so is by inciting fear and hatred. Everybody claims to hate dirty politics, but the bottom line is that it works. Dole took the high road. Look what it got him. The Bushes took the low road. Compare and contrast.

 

[Whiplash]

Clearly this is the biggest scandal in the history of the world.

How long will Palin's sentence be?

 

[gdnp]

Clearly this is the biggest scandal in the history of the world.

Nah. Not as big as Watergate, but bigger than Travelgate.

How long will Palin's sentence be?

She has been sentenced to spend eternity in "best of SNL: the '00 decade"

 

[davefoc]

Clearly this is the biggest scandal in the history of the world.

How long will Palin's sentence be?

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