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Guantanamo inmates commit suicide

Ryokan

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Three detainees at the U.S. Navy base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, committed suicide by hanging themselves with clothing and bedsheets, U.S. defense officials said on Saturday.

"They are smart. They are creative, they are committed. They have no regard for life, either ours or their own. I believe this was not an act of desperation, but an act of ...warfare waged against us," Rear Adm. Harry Harris, commander of the Joint Task Force Guantanamo, said in a telephone news conference.

Harris said the suicides were "clearly a planned event, not a spontaneous event."
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Are we seeing a new form of suicide attacks here? Heh...
 
I thought they were kept isolated...so how did they synchronise their deaths?
 
They killed themselves as an act of warfare?

Take that USA! It'll be awhile before you recover from this devastating blow to freedom!
 
DaChew said:
I love it when a problem solves itself.
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How can you say that when you know nothing about who these people were? Perhaps what they got was much better than they deserved. Perhaps not. Who knows? Not me... And I suspect you don't, either.

KelvinG said:
They killed themselves as an act of warfare?

Take that USA! It'll be awhile before you recover from this devastating blow to freedom!
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Yeah, that was my reaction to the Rear Admiral's comment too :p
 
Well, I guess we can reduce the cost of Gitmo's operating budget for FY 2007. What a shame my tax dollars won't be supporting them any more. FWIW, I'd be happy to see my tax dollars used for new sheets, since it appears they are being put to good use.
 
Ryokan said:
How can you say that when you know nothing about who these people were?
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Nothing?
We know that they were sincere believers in the "religion of peace". We know that they were picked up on the battlefield and despite there being no trial I believe that our military had good reason to suspect that they had no peaceful intentions towards us, the infidels. We know that they placed little or no value on even their own lives. We have good reason to believe that they subscribed to all that crap about a heavenly reward of virgins for their "sacrifice"

To say that we know nothing about them is just plain silly.

Yo :yo-yo:
 
Once again, how do you know they are guilty?
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You liken this to a simple criminal act rather than an act of war, with captured people.
 
Zep said:
I thought they were kept isolated...so how did they synchronise their deaths?
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If they are good they get to socialize, play soccer, get priveleges, etc. There's different levels in Gitmo, only the most troublesome inmates are kept islated. Not much different than other US prisons actually.
 
Maybe we should just do what we did in past wars when our troops encountered enemy out of uniform - line them up for the firing squad. Maybe make some folks here wax nostalgic for Gitmo.
 
I think I just figured out what made them commit suicide: They were forced to watch the World Cup.


:boxedin:
 
WildCat said:
If they are good they get to socialize, play soccer, get priveleges, etc. There's different levels in Gitmo, only the most troublesome inmates are kept islated. Not much different than other US prisons actually.
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Thank you for an informative, rather than shrill, answer.

So if these were cooperative prisoners, who were allowed priviledges equivalent to US prisoners, the question remains: WHY did they hang themselves? Any answers?

Because they could see the writing on the wall? Heck - if they were wanting to be martyrs, they would have let the evil USA kill them after a public trial, not commit suicide on the quiet.

Overcome with waves of irrepressible guilt? What, now? These "heartless conniving criminals"? And after more than three years with daily bed and food? Give me a break...

It's all very good waxing lyrical about "The only good Gitmo prisoner is a dead Gitmo prisoner". If you read up above, all of them seem to have been condemned out of hand for something that has yet to be proven at trial. You wouldn't do that to a US criminal, but you would to these people. Is that right? If so, why the double standard?

And please don't take that question as being an appeasment, or plea for their innocence. Perhaps they were all as guilty as hell and should be left to rot, I sure don't know. But no-one knows anything because they haven't been properly tried and found guilty. Which is one of the cornerstones of "US democracy" you are actively advocating to them. Yet you all cheer when they are denied it...

Good one. :rolleyes:
 
WildCat said:
Maybe we should just do what we did in past wars when our troops encountered enemy out of uniform - line them up for the firing squad. Maybe make some folks here wax nostalgic for Gitmo.
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I think you will find that happens AFTER a trial, even a showcase one.
 
WildCat said:
Maybe we should just do what we did in past wars when our troops encountered enemy out of uniform - line them up for the firing squad. Maybe make some folks here wax nostalgic for Gitmo.
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That was if they were spies, this is a matter of a militia, with many people set free because it was determined, even without a trial, that they were not guilty of criminal acts. Once again, where is the process to demonstrate they are guilty of anything.

The Magna Carta was one of the seminal documents of the march to democracy, the notion that if you were to be punished for anything, it had to be done using a process independent of the ruler, open for all to see. Guantanamo effectively shreds the Magna Carta. Prosecutors have even resigned from their roles their, because they knew what was happening.

http://www.internationalskeptics.co...hp?p=1152260&highlight=Guantanamo#post1152260

A third US military prosecutor has quit the military commission process under which Australian David Hicks will be tried, over concerns it is unfair.

US Air Force Captain Carrie Wolf has chosen to take a reassignment along with other prosecutors, ABC radio reports.

The news follows the release of emails by two former prosecutors who say the Guantanamo prosecutions are rigged to ensure guilty verdicts against mainly low-level suspects.

Foreign Minister Alexander Downer says Australia had asked for an explanation of the criticisms in the emails and been told the matter had been investigated and the commission process cleared.

As Hicks' trial on terrorism charges looms, Attorney-General Philip Ruddock says US prosecutors will produce witnesses to testify against the Adelaide man who has been detained at Guantanamo Bay for nearly four years.

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Prosecutor quits

The ABC said Captain Carrie Wolf asked to leave the Office of Military Commissions at the same time as the two email authors, Major Robert Preston and Captain John Carr.

It was understood Captain Wolf had shared her colleagues' concerns about the military commission process.

Major Preston and Captain Carr said in their leaked memos that the evidence gathered against four detainees, including Hicks, was "half-assed".
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