Guantanamo Bay Guard Meets British Ex-prisoners

[JihadJane]

'Guantanamo Bay Guard Meets British Ex-prisoners' (VIDEO, 3 minutes, BBC - Tuesday, 12 January 2010)

"A former Guantanamo Bay guard has had an emotional reunion with two of his former prisoners from Britain.

Brandon Neely, now a Texas police officer, was brought together with Shafiq Rasul and Ruhal Ahmed for a BBC documentary after he contacted them on Facebook to apologise for his part in their imprisonment.

The two men, from Tipton in the West Midlands spent two and a half years in Guantanamo before they were released without charge in 2004."

 

[WildCat]

Maybe a more interesting video would be the one where Ahmed admitted he did receive weapons training at a terrorist training camp.

Buried away in the schedules with almost no advance publicity was Lie Lab. Making use of new techniques in magnetic resonance imaging, the programme set out to discover if its subjects were telling the truth. Last week those subjects were Ruhal Ahmed and Shafiq Rasul, better known as two-thirds of the Tipton Three.

That was the name given to the three young men who were picked up in Afghanistan in late 2001 by American forces and transported to Guantanamo Bay, where they were held without charges or trial for two years before being released back to Britain.

Campaigners for the men have always maintained they were innocent tourists-cum-aid workers, caught up in the invasion of Afghanistan. This was also the line of Michael Winterbottom 's film, The Road to Guantanamo. And given the tone and approach of Lie Lab, it also seemed to be a belief shared by the programme makers.

But at the end of what was actually a rather dry and laborious piece of science TV, when confronted with results that suggested he was less than forthcoming with the truth, Ahmed confessed (Rasul had refused to go through with the test) not only to visiting an Islamist training camp but also handling weapons and learning how to use an AK47.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2007/jun/03/broadcasting.observerreview

 

[Peephole]

I thought Republicans were all in favour of gun rights?

 

[Brainster]

Maybe a more interesting video would be the one where Ahmed admitted he did receive weapons training at a terrorist training camp.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2007/jun/03/broadcasting.observerreview

How dare you ruin JJ's heartwarming post by pointing out that Ahmed was actually guilty?

 

[Darth Rotor]

I thought Republicans were all in favour of gun rights?

So did I. It was interesting to see how little the GOP favored gun rights of Iraqi citizens when the US was doing its post Saddam bit of exporting democracy. Very interesting, from the perspective of ideological consistency. If there was ever an American era that might inform a strategy in cases like post war Iraq, I'd say it is the Reconstruction, and the Radical Reconstruction. No lessons learned there, or at least not many.

DR

 

[theprestige]

So did I. It was interesting to see how little the GOP favored gun rights of Iraqi citizens when the US was doing its post Saddam bit of exporting democracy. Very interesting, from the perspective of ideological consistency. If there was ever an American era that might inform a strategy in cases like post war Iraq, I'd say it is the Reconstruction, and the Radical Reconstruction. No lessons learned there, or at least not many.

DR

The American right to bear arms was conceived in, and exists in, a larger context of other rights, government obligations, established social institutions, the rule of law, etc.

In another context--for example, breakdown of social institutions, shaky rule of law, rampant militarism, an active terrorist insurgency, and limited border control--it might make more sense to defer gun rights until a healthier, more stable, and more peaceful context has been establish, and a solid foundation has been laid on which to build such a society that permits greater freedom to bear arms.

But hey, thanks for the strawman. I'll burn it through the winter nights, both to keep myself warm, and in effigy of sophists everywhere who argue in bad faith.

 

[Peephole]

How dare you ruin JJ's heartwarming post by pointing out that Ahmed was actually guilty?

Guilty of firing weapons?

 

[Talby]

In another context--for example, breakdown of social institutions, shaky rule of law, rampant militarism, an active terrorist insurgency, and limited border control--it might make more sense to defer gun rights until a healthier, more stable, and more peaceful context has been establish, and a solid foundation has been laid on which to build such a society that permits greater freedom to bear arms.

Guns are used for self-defense. Of course, in this case, self-defense would mean shooting at American soldiers, so it's easy to see why the American military doesn't want Iraqis to have the means to defend themselves.

 

[funk de fino]

Guns are used for self-defense. Of course, in this case, self-defense would mean shooting at American soldiers, so it's easy to see why the American military doesn't want Iraqis to have the means to defend themselves.

Is that why they are refusing to train the Iraqi military then?

 

[Segnosaur]

How dare you ruin JJ's heartwarming post by pointing out that Ahmed was actually guilty?

Guilty of firing weapons?

Well, the fact that they did it at an islamist training camp (as the referred-to article points out) may have had something to do with it.

(For some reason, I don't think those things are open to the general public; if someone is there and, you know, using weapons, its reasonable to assume that he's not just some member of the NRA that stumbled into the camp.)

 

[JihadJane]

How dare you ruin JJ's heartwarming post by pointing out that Ahmed was actually guilty?

Guilty of being one of the most dangerous men in the world?

BTW, do you have a link to his "confession", beyond born-again Andrew Anthony?

 

[WildCat]

Guns are used for self-defense. Of course, in this case, self-defense would mean shooting at American soldiers, so it's easy to see why the American military doesn't want Iraqis to have the means to defend themselves.

Iraqis are allowed to have guns, even one fully automatic AK-47 per household. But US and allied soldiers will relieve them of their RPG-7s, hand grenades, artillery, etc.

But no, they don't confiscate rifles, handguns, etc. unless they're actually shooting at them.

 

[dafydd]

How dare you ruin JJ's heartwarming post by pointing out that Ahmed was actually guilty?

I must have missed that court case.

 

[theprestige]

I must have missed that court case.

Court cases are only one way of determining guilt. Do you need a court case to tell you whether or not your co-worker has been fudging his productivity reports?

 

[Baylor]

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article24381.htm.

Informationclearinghouse, eh? The same "news" medium that called the National Institute of Standards and Technology the nonexistant government entity "National Institute of Safety and Transportation." They still haven't bothered to correct it. But hey JJ, if this is where you get your "information" from, who am I to infringe on your delusions?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18999.htm
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4889826&postcount=38

 

[r0ast_p0tat0es]

Court cases are only one way of determining guilt. Do you need a court case to tell you whether or not your co-worker has been fudging his productivity reports?

No, because that isn't usually a crime.

 

[rwguinn]

No, because that isn't usually a crime.

whooosh
or, as peanut says
"NEE-Yooowww"

 

[WildCat]

No, because that isn't usually a crime.

Neither is being an enemy combatant...

 

[stilicho]

'Guantanamo Bay Guard Meets British Ex-prisoners' (VIDEO, 3 minutes, BBC - Tuesday, 12 January 2010)

"A former Guantanamo Bay guard has had an emotional reunion with two of his former prisoners from Britain.

Brandon Neely, now a Texas police officer, was brought together with Shafiq Rasul and Ruhal Ahmed for a BBC documentary after he contacted them on Facebook to apologise for his part in their imprisonment.

The two men, from Tipton in the West Midlands spent two and a half years in Guantanamo before they were released without charge in 2004."

On Spc Neely: http://humanrights.ucdavis.edu/proj...of-military-guards/testimony-of-brandon-neely

He didn't like his job.

Apparently some US servicemen feel Neely is both a coward and a war criminal:

http://www.soldiersperspective.us/2009/02/20/brandon-neely-is-a-moron/

JihadJane, do you actually look up anything on anyone you pretend to know about? This fresh new "expert" on Gitmo is either a liar or a war criminal. Why do you think anything he does or says is credible?