Grotesque stock valuations for companies.

[Trausti]

Are you disputing that he uncovered fraud? Or does it just not count because raysism?

We'll, it's just taxpayer money. Okay to set it on fire.

 

[acbytesla]

Are you disputing that he uncovered fraud? Or does it just not count because raysism?

You didn't address my question. Were these people with a legitimate need? Or people you think shouldn't be served?

 

[acbytesla]

We'll, it's just taxpayer money. Okay to set it on fire.

I wouldn't describe helping people that have a need as lighting money on fire.

 

[dirtywick]

after watching his interview i don’t think nick shirley uncovered fraud. i agree that he made a video that went viral

 

[Ziggurat]

You didn't address my question.

Indeed I did not, because I think you are using it to avoid what I consider to be the relevant issue.

Were these people with a legitimate need?

The individuals committing fraud had no legitimate need. And they did not meet anyone's legitimate need.

 

[Trausti]

I wouldn't describe helping people that have a need is lighting money on fire.

Fraud is only helping those who commit fraud. Why are you defending that? Why such animus against taxpayers?

 

[Trausti]

after watching his interview i don’t think nick shirley uncovered fraud. i agree that he made a video that went viral

While we are drifting off topic, has the DOJ since filed charges for fraud in Minnesota? Shirley surely (heh heh) brought attention to it.

 

[Ziggurat]

While we are drifting off topic, has the DOJ since filed charges for fraud in Minnesota? Shirley surely (heh heh) brought attention to it.

Yes, they have.

Minneapolis daycare owner charged with fraud tried to flee country days after closing center, prosecutors allege

New fraud charges were unsealed Wednesday against a Minnesota daycare owner who federal prosecutors allege tried to flee the country just two days after shutting the center down.

www.cbsnews.com

"Federal prosecutors said Future Leaders Early Learning, a site sponsored by Feeding Our Future, pretended to feed children during the pandemic, but pocketed much of the money instead.
...
The Future Leaders Early Learning Center was one of 10 Minneapolis daycares visited by conservative YouTuber Nick Shirley in December and featured in a viral video."

 

[Ziggurat]

I wouldn't describe helping people that have a need as lighting money on fire.

Pocketing money without providing a service (ie, fraud) is not helping people that have a need.

 

[theprestige]

I wouldn't describe helping people that have a need as lighting money on fire.

Where are the people in need? Why aren't the parents and their children out in front of the cameras, telling the world about how the daycare they relied on got shut down by racist MAGA?

 

[dirtywick]

i’m not sure if there were any charges, i haven’t looked into it. feel like maybe that’s something you guys should know since you’re worried about all this immigration fraud.

anyway, i wouldn’t credit shirley for any progress in any fraud investigation in minnesota. he was basically just a stooge they used to pull a viral political stunt imo.

he was contacted over ig by a gop rep named david who gave him a bunch of stats and a location, they filmed him trying to get in and being denied, and it got boosted by every conservative account on twitter. he didn’t investigate or discover or even independently verify anything. and that’s his story from his interview

 

[acbytesla]

I want to know where the efficiency gains are?

The Trump administration has been awarding out countless no bid contracts out to his friends as if they were kids on Halloween.

And what exactly did Shirley uncover?

Why is it you conservatives turn a blind eye to the massive corruption in this administration, but if an immigrant needed help and got it he's John Dillinger?

 

[Ziggurat]

if an immigrant needed help and got it he's John Dillinger?

Immigrants DIDN'T get help. What part of the word "fraud" are you not understanding?

 

[theprestige]

I want to know where the efficiency gains are?

The Trump administration has been awarding out countless no bid contracts out to his friends as if they were kids on Halloween.

And what exactly did Shirley uncover?

Why is it you conservatives turn a blind eye to the massive corruption in this administration, but if an immigrant needed help and got it he's John Dillinger?

Now you're concerned about efficiency gains? Tell us about the efficiency gains of throwing more money at a broken system, instead of trying to distract us from that issue.

 

[acbytesla]

Zig said he wanted to cut entitlements. When I called him out that cutting entitlements meant denying services to those in need he backtracked suggesting we could cut waste. But that's not what conservatives do. They cut benefits.

 

[dirtywick]

is this a good time to talk about doge? it was the billionaire solution to fraud, waste, and abuse in government. have we seen a reduction in spending, a smaller deficit, or any economic growth as a result?

 

[Ziggurat]

Zig said he wanted to cut entitlements. When I called him out that cutting entitlements meant denying services to those in need he backtracked suggesting we could cut waste. But that's not what conservatives do. They cut benefits.

Well, no. That's not what happened. I said "cut entitlements", and in fairness, that was ambiguous. Your response was to claim I was in favor of cutting entitlement programs. I responded with the clarification that we have to cut entitlement spending, which isn't the same thing as entitlement programs (cutting programs is not the only way to cut spending). It's also not identical to entitlement benefits, though we will probably have to cut some of those as well. But cutting out fraud absolutely cuts spending.

And don't lecture me about what "conservatives do". Not unless you want to accept everything Democrats do.

 

[Ziggurat]

Dup

 

[W.D.Clinger]

That explanation is literally impossible.

Yeah, he probably had no source at all, just made it all up.

I actually posted that video for the observation that politicians, like Obama, used the "tax the rich" mantra for votes, regardless of the consequences. While I generally agree that tax increases can lead to reduced tax collection (see California), there are likely other factors, like crime, for Detroit's decline.

That (mostly) makes sense. Thanks.

 

[Ziggurat]

Yeah, he probably had no source at all, just made it all up.

I'm not sure why you're struggling to just admit that you were wrong without blaming Sowell.