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*groan* Jim Callahan: Adept Psychological Manipulator? Prove It!

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While I am loathe to start another Jim Callahan thread, out of respect for daSkeptic's Subliminal Compliance thread and the discussion he intended to have there, I am removing the posts regarding challenging Jim Callahan to demonstrate his prowess at psychological manipulation here.

I have a general request that we be at our JREF best in being civil, particularly to Mr. Callahan. If you find yourself typing a post directed at Callahan that contains words such as "fool," "buffoon," etc, try to think are you getting more value out of that or is Jim.

I would like to note that I fully expect Mr. Callahan to decline, refuse, or ignore our invitation. I submit that that will speak volumes about what he leads you to think he is capable of. Also please remember that this thread has nothing to do with the MDC, Callahan's challenge to Randi, or any paranormal claims whatsoever. This is to focus on a completely non-paranormal skill that he advertises.

Callahan is throwing up the smoke now. He's trying to find a way to dance through this and once again he thinks he sees the JREF spotting him. He's happy that people have begun to discuss his attempts at manipulation. They help him by suggesting possibilities which Callahan goes ahead and endorses if he likes the feel of it. If he can maybe get people to think it's all part of a funky plan, maybe they will become distracted from the huckster maneuvers.

BTW, this is the only reaction I have. What Jim is doing is retconning - retroactively claiming that he did or said certain things for certain purposes, when at the time he had no such purpose in mind. Jim says something, Alex replies, then Jim says "I totally manipulated you into saying that." It's a pretty ordinary tool, and not very clever.

I'm out of this loop. I challenge Mr Callahan to PM me with his planned manipulation prior to implementing it. Then we can see if he indeed was successful.

Caveat: predicting a typical response will be considered a valid criticism if that's all one can say about the supposed planned manipulation. I will be neutral in reporting the PM prediction. In fact, I'll be happy to just post the PM after the fact if that is what Mr Callahan agrees to.

I'm very pleased to see this post as it was this type of idea that brought me over from the other thread to post.

Let's take this suggestion a bit further. First, let's up the impartiality element. Instead of using you, let's use moderator Chillzero as the person Callahan can PM with his planned manipulation.Second, and I mean this with no offense to Alex I suggest the following people as targets:

skeptigirl

Arthwollipot

Myself

Jim may choose one or all three of us if he is half as adept as he would have you believe.

I'm am quite confident he is unable. What's more, I predict he will ignore or shirk off an invitation to display the Subliminal Compliance techniques he leads you to believe he has. This should be taken as evidence that Callahan is not any kind of adept manipulator at all and the discussion can be concluded thereby robbing him of further opportunities to push the idea.

Callahan says he likes puzzles and tries to create the impression that he is a skilled manipulator in creating realities he chooses.

Bring it on, Callahan.

For anyone that has noted the transparency of Jim Callahan's claims to be in control and manipulating others in some type of thought provoking performance and has been wondering what is the best solution to counter his games without feeding into them I have some good news.

Both Arthwollipot and myself have noted that Callahan uses a very silly type of retconning to re-enforce the idea that he is successfully manipulating people. He sees suggestions by various members of what he may have been doing. If he likes the feel of a certain suggestion, he will latch on to it and add some embellishment and back story to make it appear as though he was employing it all along. When people respond to this objectionably he simply says that the person is further showing his abilities.

Both myself and another member, skeptigirl, noted in the Subliminal Compliance thread that any real adeptness at psychological manipualtion could be tested and should be easy to show. We both independantly suggested that to eliminate the obvious retconning that Callahan was using, that he inform a neutral person by pm of his planned manipulation before doing so. I took the suggestion further and offered that to ensure impartiality in the observer that moderator chillzero be designated as the one to receive the pm of Callahan's planned manipulation.

In skeptigirl's line of suggestion the target would have potentially been a teenaged boy. With no offence intended to that young man, I suggested that the targets be Arthwollipot, skeptigirl, and myself; there are definitely others but we are the first three that came to mind for examples of people that were not playing into Callahan's games. I suggested that Callahan could choose one but given the kind of proficiency he indicates he has for this non-paranormal psychological technique that he advertises on his website, he should very easily be able to manipulate the three of us either separately or in a collective fashion. I also suggested that if Callahan either declined, refused, or ignored the invitiation that it would qualify as more than sufficient evidence that he is full of it in terms of his claims of being in control and that the question would reach conclusion.

I think we can put an end to this kind of silliness and do so in a manner that doesn't involve pleasing Jim with the insults and personal comments that he is baiting. Also note that Jim claims to be creating realities and in doing so creating value. Jim has no claim to or control of any value to be gained in any of the discussions or activities I refer to. These things are accomplished not because of Jim's desires but rather in spite of them. Any claim otherwise is semantic and another example of the retconning he employs.

I would ask that anyone who would like to comment on this post please quote it then respond in the Subliminal Compliance (aka psychological manipulation thread) as it is just meant as a heads up.
As an alternative to revealing the claim in advance to a neutral person, Mr. Callahan could simply write his claim in a brief sentence, then use this site: http://www.ideaspace.net/misc/hash/ to generate a hash code for it, and post the hash code here.

For example, at that site, I have entered my prediction for the results of this test, in a simple sentence in the field labeled "Enter your e-mail address here:". I then click the "MD4" button, and the following code appears in the Hashed Result field:

17107100441d367217263e17099c32d5

The prediction I made cannot be decoded from the hash result, because the hash result is not unique to any one sequence of characters. However, it would be extremely difficult or impossible to create a different prediction that would yield the same hash code. (Changing any part of the input text results in a completely different code sequence.) So, by posting it in this message, I have created a way to verify, in the future, that I made that prediction today.

Once I reveal the prediction, anyone else can put that same sentence into the hash code generator, and determine whether or not the resulting MD4 hash code is the same as the one I posted here. (I had better write down the exact sequence of characters, including case, spaces, and punctuation, because changing any character will change the hash code completely.) If the same hash code comes out, then it is extremely strong evidence that I really did make the prediction at the time of this post.

If I later refuse to reveal the exact prediction text, or if the prediction text I report does not match the hash code, then that would mean I have failed to verify my prediction, and (were I trying to convince anyone of my ability to make accurate predictions) strongly suggest that I made a wrong prediction or no prediction at all.

This method removes the trustworthiness of the neutral person from consideration in this test. Mr. Callahan need only write a brief sentence describing his plan; that is, what result he intends to achieve using psychological manipulation during a certain future time period; and then post the hash code for that sentence in this thread. At the end of the stated time period, he can then reveal the exact text of his plan, and we can observe whether those results have occurred. By checking the hash code against his posted one, we can also all verify individually, each to his or her own satisfaction, that the plan he reveals at the end is the same as the one he began with.

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
DaSkeptic's links from the Subliminal Compliance thread:

Sorry for the ugly links. Wanted to be sure I used no-follow. :)

[nfurl]www.jimclass.com/subliminal_compliance_technologi.html[/nfurl] - Subliminal Compliance Technologies
[nfurl]www.jimclass.com/lecture.html[/nfurl] - Lecture
[nfurl]www.jimclass.com/ATTbeginning.html[/nfurl] - The Beginning

[nfurl]virus.lucifer.com/virus.2Q99/author.html#2471[/nfurl] - Several posts made by Jim to a mailing list of the Church of Virus

[nfurl]www.youtube.com/user/goalie309[/nfurl] - A comment (bottom of the page) on a YouTube profile
 
On the subject of employing a message digest for authentication, I would suggest a couple of changes:
  1. MD4 is rather weak. I recommend the use of something stronger.
  2. To reduce the chance of errors during verification, I suggest the explanation be published in something other than plain-text. A PDF would be a sufficient, platform-agnostic choice. A digest of the file could be posted here in the forums before the test, and then the PDF posted to Callahan's website afterward.
  3. (ETA) After the test, Callahan should post the digest on his site along with the PDF. This will eliminate the possibility of the JREF post being changed to give a false negative.
 
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May I also mention to Jim, if I may:

No more dodging, delaying, explaining, excusing or trolling. Yes or no, is what we're looking for, not anything else.

I'm not the only one who'll be hoping this goes ahead.

Alex.
 
Let's face it. Jim Callahan's "psychological manipulation" AKA "subliminal compliance" is indistinguishable from "internet trolling." Not only that, but he's shown he's, on one hand not particularly good at it, but also completely capable of being a victim of it.

It's even less impressive than the "paranormal events" he creates with his none-too-impressive stage magic.
 
Let's face it. Jim Callahan's "psychological manipulation" AKA "subliminal compliance" is indistinguishable from "internet trolling." Not only that, but he's shown he's, on one hand not particularly good at it, but also completely capable of being a victim of it.

It's even less impressive than the "paranormal events" he creates with his none-too-impressive stage magic.

He's good enough to have made himself a centre of attention on this forum for quite some time. Getting up people's noses doesn't take much talent though.
 
He's good enough to have made himself a centre of attention on this forum for quite some time. Getting up people's noses doesn't take much talent though.

I'm not sure that "posting inane messages" and "getting replies" on a forum is an example of psychic manipulation, though. Not one that can't be done by just about anybody, anyway.
 
I'm not sure that "posting inane messages" and "getting replies" on a forum is an example of psychic manipulation, though. Not one that can't be done by just about anybody, anyway.

As Hitch said, "Indistinguishable from trolling." Calling it trolling requires a whole lot less assumptions so I’m going with that.
 
I also agree with your statement that it doesn't take much talent to get up people's noses. Seems to be in inverse proportion, in fact.
 
Jim was last online at 7pm today and as his none participation stands out on this thread I assume he is full of hot air.
 
Jim was last online at 7pm today and as his none participation stands out on this thread I assume he is full of hot air.

Since you wrote that at 2:49pm today, are you claiming to be able to see the future, and thus know what he won't be doing when he logs in this evening? :D

Let the MDC protocol creation begin! :D
 
Sounds like everyone wants to see a MDC claim go forward... except one person.
 
Since you wrote that at 2:49pm today, are you claiming to be able to see the future, and thus know what he won't be doing when he logs in this evening? :D

Let the MDC protocol creation begin! :D

Time zones, man. From here he posted at 1:49pm. SInce he's in the UK, he may well have been referring to a past event (7 in his time zone would have been before his post).
 
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Time zones, man. From here he posted at 1:49pm. SInce he's in the UK, he may well have been referring to a past event (7 in his time zone would have been before his post).

You're right. My bad. I forgot to take that into account. I keep forgetting that this forum software normalizes the posting times. I'll try to avoid this error in the future.
 
Well apparently not for everybody. Up to now I had now idea who he was. Now, in addition, I am not sure I want to find out.

I fear it may be to late.

You allready know what others think of what I may be just from reading this thread.

Best Wishes,

J im
 

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