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Griffon Washes Up Onto Long Island Beach

Delvo said:
What would have made the skin blue?
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Some dogs may have a skin color similar to that normally. Also the color blue often indicates tissues perfused by blood lacking oxygen. There are probably other possible explanations.
 
Modified said:
After briefly searching the web for pictures of pit bulls, I have changed my opinion. There is no such thing as a pit bull. The dogs in the pictures I found varied so much in form and features that there must be dozens of types of dogs called "pit bulls".

Anyway, the dead thing was an overfed dog.
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Never mind, techno beat me to it.
 
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Those teeth don't seem to match the racoon's which look more fine, but the teeth in the raccoon skeletons don't look as fine as they do in images of the live animals.

Good raccoon skull and teeth images here.

I don't see how some big part of the canine maxillary bone could be missing, that would create an awfully large overbite.

The more I look at the paw in the one image where it isn't buried, it has the hand posture of the raccoon. Darn if Corwin actually turns out to have been right all along. He does actually have a biology degree. He's not just a TV personality. There's a good closeup of the feet in Neutrino's link to Nash's blog. That is a convincing case.

Final answer, raccoon after all. What-da'ya know.
 
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I don't see how some big part of the canine maxillary bone could be missing, that would create an awfully large overbite.
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Based on the lack of lower incisors, maybe a chunk of the lower jaw is missing too?

Which is reaching a little, I know, since there isn't any separate, sutured-on bone that can come off the mandible like that.
 
It would be easy to distinguish if it were likely raccoon or dog if one could examine the animal directly. Looking at the better (enhanced?) picture I can see the resemblance to a raccoon but from the photos presented I would say that I could not positively identify one or the other.
 
neutrino_cannon said:
Does anyone know why the fur falls out when the body decomposes in water?
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According to Wiki on decomposition:
Putrefaction

Odor, color changes, and bloating of the body during decomposition are the results of putrefaction. The lower part of the abdomen turns green due to bacteria activity in the cecum. Bacteria break down hemoglobin into sulfhemoglobin which causes the green color change. A formation of gases enters the abdomen which forces liquids and feces out of the body. The gases also enter the neck and face, causing swelling of the mouth, lips, and tongue. Due to this swelling and disconfiguration of the face, identification of the body can be difficult. Bacteria also enter the venous system causing blood to hemolyze. This leads to the formation of red streaks along the veins. This color soon changes to green, through a process known as marbelization. It can be seen on the shoulders, chest and shoulder area, and thighs. The skin can develop blisters containing serous fluid. The skin also becomes fragile, leading to skin slippage, making it difficult to move a body. Body hair comes off easily. The color change of the discoloration from green to brown marks the transition of the early stage of putrefaction to the advanced decompositional stages.
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So as the skin decomposes, the hair is loosened and falls out. This critter was in the water presumably so the wave action would have dislodged the hair.
 
I think the raccoon reconstruction looks very convincing. The long "fingers" could have been been due to partial decomposition of dog paws, but the close-up does not look very dog-like, so raccoon looks like a better bet.

It would have helped if we had had a better size reference from the start; basically from the pictures, the thing could be any size from rat to bear.

Hans
 
If a raccoon could be 2 and a half feet long, you might have a chance.

Of course having looked at dead raccoons (they appear regularly on the side of the road in America) I can tell you with out a doubt, saying it could be a raccoon is dumb.
 
Of course the most obvious thing about this "monster" is that the entire thing is a hoax. Viral marketing.
 
robinson said:
If a raccoon could be 2 and a half feet long, you might have a chance.
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Measuring exactly how? A cat can be 2½ft long if there is something sufficiently interesting on a table.

Of course having looked at dead raccoons (they appear regularly on the side of the road in America) I can tell you with out a doubt, saying it could be a raccoon is dumb.
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Of course, a road-kill will look somewhat different from a washed up on the beach carcass.

But yes, a hoax is definitely a possibility, yet such a hoax would consist of parts from actual animals, unless you claim someone went to a LOT of trouble, for very little effect.

Hans
 
MRC_Hans said:
Measuring exactly how? A cat can be 2½ft long if there is something sufficiently interesting on a table.

Of course, a road-kill will look somewhat different from a washed up on the beach carcass.
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Don't be dumb. Obviously you, or the dude that is an idiot, have never actually seen a dead dog, and a dead raccoon. Only an idiot could confuse the two.

But wait, rather than listen to another hundred dumb comments, look. The "monster" is on the left, a dead raccoon, on the beach, is on the right.

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See? Now I didn't want to point this out, but there is another rather obvious fact in the picture. A Raccoon has a penis bone. A Raccoon penis does not look like a dog penis. Ever. Because the bone.

I really tried to keep the conversation above the waist, but you have forced me to hit below the belt.
 
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neutrino_cannon said:
Why? His point about the elongate digits and lack of enlarged frontals seems very good. Skeptigirl pointed out the latter earlier in the thread.
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Dogs can have digits that are quite long .
The digits of the subject don't look any longer, proportionally, than these.. ( IMO )

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They will look even longer minus the fur...

They just don't have the flexibility That raccoon digits do ..

Plus, I think raccoon digits would look more slender, proportionally, than do those of the subject ..
 
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