Greta Thunberg - brave campaigner or deeply disturbed?

[lionking]

Not really finally

We both agree man has an impact on climate change that is happening at such an abnormal speed, it can't be all natural.

Not what you said earlier in this thread, so Greta has had an impact on you. Good to see.

 

[cullennz]

Not what you said earlier in this thread, so Greta has had an impact on you. Good to see.

Feel free to post where I have said there is no impact by man on climate change or that it isn't happening.

I await patiently.

Maybe while you are doing this you can formulate an apology

 

[lionking]

Feel free to post where I have said there is no impact by man on climate change or that it isn't happening.

I await patiently.

Maybe while you are doing this you can formulate an apology

Look it up yourself. You said that climate change might be happening but at a much slower rate than scientists predicted. It is happening at an abnormal speed. You denied this. You are a denier.

You seem to have changed your tune. Admit this, apologise and thank Greta.

You’re welcome.

 

[cullennz]

Look it up yourself. You said that climate change might be happening but at a much slower rate than scientists predicted. It is happening at an abnormal speed. You denied this. You are a denier.

You seem to have changed your tune. Admit this, apologise and thank Greta.

You’re welcome.

I don't have to prove something you claim I am, it isn't my job. That is not how this **** works. You have been on this thing 12 years and know this

The highlighted above is is true, the rest you made up and it is not climate change denial

I await your apology for claiming it is, or at least evidence

 

[lionking]

I don't have to prove something you claim I am, it isn't my job. That is not how this **** works. You have been on this thing 12 years and know this

The highlighted above is is true, the rest you made up and it is not climate change denial

I await your apology for claiming it is, or at least evidence

The highlighted part makes you a denier.

 

[cullennz]

The highlighted part makes you a denier.

Saying the climate is changing and man has an effect on the speed makes me a denier that the climate is changing and man has an effect on the speed?


Whatever mate

I have no personal issue with you,

You seem to with me

Good luck with it

 

[Scorpion]

Greta Thunberg‏Verified account @GretaThunberg · 14h14 hours ago
Her latest twitter message from the Atlantic

Day 15. 1140 nm to Lisbon. Northwest of the Azores. Listening to audio books, playing Yatzy, babysitting and listening in on endless weather discussions...

 

[cullennz]

Greta Thunberg‏Verified account @GretaThunberg · 14h14 hours ago
Her latest twitter message from the Atlantic

Day 15. 1140 nm to Lisbon. Northwest of the Azores. Listening to audio books, playing Yatzy, babysitting and listening in on endless weather discussions...

Cool

Old school

We used to play that as kids at my grand parents, but it was called Yahtzee (probably the US marketing)

That and knuckle bones, which a think has died a death.

No one else my age seemed to.

 

[cullennz]

Knuckle bones for those who have never heard of it.

BTW

I was a machine playing this

 

[Orphia Nay]

Let's be clear. This couple lives off the YouTube views of their boating vlog. Greta is a big draw for certain demographics right now. Giving her a ride translates directly into cash for them. Instead of paying dollars for passage like a normal person, Greta is paying celebrity bucks. The only question is whether she knows that's the deal, or whether she believes it's conviction alone that inspires her ferrymen.

Is it Thunberg's success that annoys you?

The use of contemporary forms of communication and sales?

Jeremy Clarkson is blaming Thunberg for young people losing interest in car shows like the one he hosts.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/en...thunberg-car-show_uk_5dde473fe4b0d50f3299a8f5

Jeremy Clarkson has labelled Greta Thunberg an “idiot” and blamed the climate activist for “killing” the car show.

Speaking to The Sun, he said: “Everyone I know under 25 isn’t the slightest bit interested in cars – Greta Thunberg has killed the car show."

So at least that's one good thing she's done.

I used to love Clarkson and Top Gear. He's such a troll.

Perhaps a bit like how some people troll democrats or republicans.

As a skeptic, I appreciate the art form.

But I no longer watch it.

She can learn from the scientists, then translate the latest findings and plans from COP25 into simple, inclusive statements for the public, media, and her followers. I don't think she's going there to teach.

Her notoriety is a reflection of her success as a disseminator of facts, figures and also sound bites & emotional appeals.

Scientists - "These are the facts (followed by facts)"

Greta's translation - "HOW DARE YOU!!!!!", "YOU HAVE STOLEN MY DREAMS AND MY CHILDHOOD!!!!"

Fantastic

You highlighted the wrong bit and jumped to make another post without reading on to this:

She can learn from the scientists, then translate the latest findings and plans from COP25 into simple, inclusive statements for the public, media, and her followers. I don't think she's going there to teach.

Her notoriety is a reflection of her success as a disseminator of facts, figures and also sound bites & emotional appeals.

Those were certainly memorable and apparently shocking to you.

 

[lomiller]

Nah. It's just as trivially wrong as all the rest.

Yeah, you are clearly not “criticizing her fans” if you never point out an actual fan and never offer an intelligent criticism of what they have said or done.

 

[lomiller]

Yes

Her other point is listen to climate scientists

I'm sure this will be a shocking revelation to the many acclaimed climate scientists listening

Most of the scientists listening probably view her as a ray of hope to a grim situation and are happy for her appearance.

 

[lomiller]

I don't have to prove something you claim I am, it isn't my job. That is not how this **** works.

Interesting. What do you think we would say about someone who made a comparable about 9/11? Eg:
Person A - I’m a not 9/11 truther if fully admit terrorists flew a plane into the building, I just don’t think that the ensuing fire is sufficient to cause the building to collapse.
Person B – You deny that the fire caused the building to collapse, this makes you a truther
Person A - I don't have to prove something you claim I am, it isn't my job. That is not how this **** works.

 

[Scorpion]

Whatever else you say about Greta Thunberg, she is not wrong. Here is her latest tweet.


Day 16. In the middle of the ocean I’m struck by the news that the EU Parliament has declared a climate emergency.
We can’t solve a crisis without treating it as one. Let’s hope they now take drastic sufficient action.
Join the #climatestrike to put pressure on them!

 

[cullennz]

Interesting. What do you think we would say about someone who made a comparable about 9/11? Eg:

Person A - I’m a not 9/11 truther if fully admit terrorists flew a plane into the building, I just don’t think that the ensuing fire is sufficient to cause the building to collapse.

Person B – You deny that the fire caused the building to collapse, this makes you a truther

Person A - I don't have to prove something you claim I am, it isn't my job. That is not how this **** works.

I'd say 9/11 happened in real time and wasn't computer modeling of decades in the future and the analogy is a bit silly (no offence)

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[cullennz]

Oh

And that the first person isn't denying terrorists took over the planes

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[theprestige]

Is it Thunberg's success that annoys you?

It's her fanclub, actually. I'm sorry you're having such a hard time processing this repeated statement.

Yeah, you are clearly not “criticizing her fans” if you never point out an actual fan and never offer an intelligent criticism of what they have said or done.

I've pointed out silly fanclub behavior repeatedly in this thread. I made it more explicit as her fanclub here continues to pretend they're not seeing it. I'll add your stance on this to the list of problems with Greta's fanclub. Along with Orphia's ongoing confusion on this point.

 

[theprestige]

Greta Thunberg‏Verified account @GretaThunberg · 14h14 hours ago
Her latest twitter message from the Atlantic

Day 15. 1140 nm to Lisbon. Northwest of the Azores. Listening to audio books, playing Yatzy, babysitting and listening in on endless weather discussions...

Ha! Ha! That Greta is such a retard! She can't even spell Yahtzie right! I was hating her for no reason before, but now I'm hating her for a good reason. What a maroon she is. Anyone this wrong about Yotzee is probably stupid and wrong about climate change, too. Probably because she dropped out of school and is ignorant.

 

[lionking]

It's her fanclub, actually. I'm sorry you're having such a hard time processing this repeated statement.



I've pointed out silly fanclub behavior repeatedly in this thread. I made it more explicit as her fanclub here continues to pretend they're not seeing it. I'll add your stance on this to the list of problems with Greta's fanclub. Along with Orphia's ongoing confusion on this point.

Lomiller will be upset by this characterisation.

Oh, no he won’t. At all. Know why? Because lomiller has been positively Greta-like in climate change threads here for years. Telling people like me (I was once a climate skeptic denier) to listen to the science and not random internet kooks. This poster and others were relentless and I changed my position many years ago.

Greta is also relentless and millions are listening to her without signing up to fan clubs.

And I know you are saying “it’s her fan club”. I don’t believe this. I believe you dislike her because she won’t behave the way you would prefer a young female to behave. you know, stay in class and leave the topic to adults.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Cool

Old school

We used to play that as kids at my grand parents, but it was called Yahtzee (probably the US marketing)

That and knuckle bones, which a think has died a death.

No one else my age seemed to.

In Germany Yahtzee is called Kniffel and I played it with my grand parents as well. Checked wikipedia and Yatzy seems to be a Scandinavian variant with slightly different rules.

Apparently they are all derived from a game called Yacht, so maybe Greta was just fooling around there making some inside joke.