Greta Thunberg - brave campaigner or deeply disturbed?

[Skeptic Ginger]

I have somehow managed to be completely unaware of Thunberg's parents and their apparently never-ending lists of what's wrong with their daughter, while simultaneously knowing who she is, what she's concerned about and what she's doing about it.

Me too. This thread is the first I've ever heard about the parents and the autism issue. Imagine that, I missed all that while being very familiar with Greta, the student strikes and her growing renown in global warming conferences.

 

[Vixen]

Me too. This thread is the first I've ever heard about the parents and the autism issue. Imagine that, I missed all that while being very familiar with Greta, the student strikes and her growing renown in global warming conferences.

There you go, then. You've been manipulated by the Thunberg's PR machine.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Some people aren't.

We're listening, though. We're arguing about climate change on this board pretty regularly. If all she's saying is stuff that we're already arguing about, then there's no reason for we here to spend much time on what she's saying.

Unless she really is saying something novel about climate change, this:

Is a red herring.

This thread, for whatever retarded reason, is about Thunberg the person. If you want to talk about what she's saying, start a thread about climate change. Or just find one of the threads about climate change already in progress, and talk about it.

OK, who is talking about organizing student strikes then? Who is pointing out that these kids have every right to complain the adults are failing to act while it is the kids who stand to be stuck with the consequences?

Perhaps that last sentence has has a brief mention.

 

[Vixen]

Is this your slow walking back of the ad hominem attack?

It's not Greta, it's her parents
and BTW she's not really that special.


Wrong and wrong. Keep trying, you might get there.

It's exploiting a vulnerable kid. Making her feel special and different, when truth is, she is probably not that different from her peers.

 

[Ryokan]

Me too. This thread is the first I've ever heard about the parents and the autism issue. Imagine that, I missed all that while being very familiar with Greta, the student strikes and her growing renown in global warming conferences.

She talks about her autism and her selective mutism in her speeches, so that part is easy to know.

 

[Vixen]

OK, who is talking about organizing student strikes then? Who is pointing out that these kids have every right to complain the adults are failing to act while it is the kids who stand to be stuck with the consequences?

Perhaps that last sentence has has a brief mention.

For crying out loud. Every new generation believes 'the adults have failed to act'.


When I was eight, I was stricken by the thought of people starving in the world. I made my mother send off all of my spare money to a famine-relief charity. I went on a 30-mile walk for Oxfam with sponsorship. Was I special? No.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Not sure y'all needed a whole thread just to figure this out, but whatever. What's the consensus? Brave campaigner? Or deeply disturbed?

Do you have even a drop of evidence for that highlighted part that isn't from an unsupported assertion in the right wing echo chamber?

 

[Vixen]

Doesn't support your assertions in any way.


Yes and?


Most likely parents, family, school et cetera. Possibly general screening in school.


I'm waiting for your evidence of this claim...


Good. Supportive parents are a help to children.


Support for this claim?



More random drivel.


So?


Evidence?

Take a look at this piece of pretentiousness:

Her father is Svante Thunberg, an actor and author named after Svante Arrhenius, the Nobel prize-winning scientist who first calculated how carbon dioxide emissions could lead to the greenhouse effect.

What?!

'Svante' is a common Swedish name and indeed Svante [Sture] founded the Swedish empire (seeing off King Christian of Denmark). He named his son 'Svante' and there are a whole load of 'em down history.

The above guff tells you Greta is merely a mouthpiece of her global warming fanatic dad.

I am sure she is sincere herself but her parents are contemptible.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

OK here's one at random:

Selective mutism, asperger's and OCD:

Do you think a 12-year-old has gone to get herself diagnosed? No, it's her pushy parents looking for a trendy label.

Her parents helped her channel her passions.

So, not a random shelf-filler's daughter from Warrington (they of course have no fancy diagnoses attached to them) but the daughter of pushy parents who got a camera crew to film her 'making her own way to Poland' and sitting in the lobby with a placard 'all by herself' (apart from the film crew).

And now she is an international star, written her own book (because, of course, the parents wish to imply she is a 'genius' [asperger's, you know?]) and nominated Malala-style for a Nobel Peace Prize.

I have known about climate change for years. It is incorrect to say 'adults do not care' as I did carbon footprints for a business case study when Greta was in kindergarten. One such business was a 'green' Tesco supermarket.

Greta is super but let's face it, has her svengali-style parents managing her 'career'.

This sounds like she's a child prodigy, not that she's a facade for her parents vicarious living.

Care to cite a link so we have some context.

Here's a link showing a few other child prodigies: Cracked*: 8 Child Prodigies So Amazing They'll Ruin Your Day (*Cracked is a good source of lists.)

 

[Ryokan]

Take a look at this piece of pretentiousness:



What?!

'Svante' is a common Swedish name and indeed Svante [Sture] founded the Swedish empire (seeing off King Christian of Denmark). He named his son 'Svante' and there are a whole load of 'em down history.

The above guff tells you Greta is merely a mouthpiece of her global warming fanatic dad.

I am sure she is sincere herself but her parents are contemptible.

People with common names can still be named after someone specific. It's not that uncommon to do so.

What a very strange criticism. What has that got to do with Thunberg's message anyway?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Take a look at this piece of pretentiousness:



What?!

'Svante' is a common Swedish name and indeed Svante [Sture] founded the Swedish empire (seeing off King Christian of Denmark). He named his son 'Svante' and there are a whole load of 'em down history.

The above guff tells you Greta is merely a mouthpiece of her global warming fanatic dad.

I am sure she is sincere herself but her parents are contemptible.

Are you incapable of posting a link, or reluctant to reveal all your information is coming from right-wing sources know to push these kinds of smears?

 

[theprestige]

Do you have even a drop of evidence for that highlighted part that isn't from an unsupported assertion in the right wing echo chamber?

Why are you asking me? I hadn't even heard of the girl until Matthew Best started this thread, what? Yesterday?

Why not ask him why he thinks this is even a question?

 

[Vixen]

Are you incapable of posting a link, or reluctant to reveal all your information is coming from right-wing sources know to push these kinds of smears?

Country Living - a 'Green' website is a 'right-wing source'?

 

[Checkmite]

Do you think a 12-year-old has gone to get herself diagnosed? No, it's her pushy parents looking for a trendy label.

Are you anti-behavioral-health generally, or is it Autism Spectrum Disorder specifically that you believe is fictional?

 

[Childlike Empress]

When I was eight, I was stricken by the thought of people starving in the world. I made my mother send off all of my spare money to a famine-relief charity. I went on a 30-mile walk for Oxfam with sponsorship. Was I special? No.

I abused my father's high price nine-needle printer (manufactured in the GDR) to print stickers that said "even one-cell organisms need love" in German. For some reason the one-cell organism I drew was distinctive enough to have had a happy smile on its face.

 

[Childlike Empress]

This all reminds me of one German super hit of the eighties, Herbert Grönemeyer's "Kinder an die Macht" ("give power to the children", you'll find a translation if you look for it).


Problem is while the most sophisticated propaganda apparatus in history is bothering all of us daily, we can't give power to the second-most vulnerable group of people to that influence (after pseudo-skeptics), regardless of how pure their intentions might be.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Country Living - a 'Green' website is a 'right-wing source'?

So from that you took all those quotes and expanded them into a whole rant of baseless opinion.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Why are you asking me? I hadn't even heard of the girl until Matthew Best started this thread, what? Yesterday?

Why not ask him why he thinks this is even a question?

I asked you because you said it. Who cares if someone else said it also.

That's one of Trump's techniques, BTW. He makes a BS assertion then when asked to support it he says, "I don't know but that's what people are saying."

BTW, Greta herself answered in a Tweet cited above:

I am indeed ”deeply disturbed” about the fact that these hate and conspiracy campaigns are allowed to go on and on and on just because we children communicate and act on the science. Where are the adults?

 

[uke2se]

OK here's one at random:



Selective mutism, asperger's and OCD:



Do you think a 12-year-old has gone to get herself diagnosed? No, it's her pushy parents looking for a trendy label.



Her parents helped her channel her passions.

So, not a random shelf-filler's daughter from Warrington (they of course have no fancy diagnoses attached to them) but the daughter of pushy parents who got a camera crew to film her 'making her own way to Poland' and sitting in the lobby with a placard 'all by herself' (apart from the film crew).

And now she is an international star, written her own book (because, of course, the parents wish to imply she is a 'genius' [asperger's, you know?]) and nominated Malala-style for a Nobel Peace Prize.

I have known about climate change for years. It is incorrect to say 'adults do not care' as I did carbon footprints for a business case study when Greta was in kindergarten. One such business was a 'green' Tesco supermarket.

Greta is super but let's face it, has her svengali-style parents managing her 'career'.

I simply don't get why you think parents recognizing their daughter isn't like other children and taking her to the doctor, only to have the doctor diagnose her with Aspergers is somehow reflecting poorly on the parents.

I also don't understand why you feel her parents supporting her endeavors is a bad thing.

It seems to me that you are reaching for things to not like in order to be able to dismiss this girl. For some reason.

 

[uke2se]

Take a look at this piece of pretentiousness:



What?!

'Svante' is a common Swedish name and indeed Svante [Sture] founded the Swedish empire (seeing off King Christian of Denmark). He named his son 'Svante' and there are a whole load of 'em down history.

The difference between this Svante and other Svantes is that this one was named from Svante Arrhenius. It says so right in the article. That's not pretentious. It's rather common to name your children from famous people.

The above guff tells you Greta is merely a mouthpiece of her global warming fanatic dad.

No, it doesn't.

I am sure she is sincere herself but her parents are contemptible.

Someone sure is contemptible.

Tell me, Vixen: Do you believe autism is a real thing?