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Greenpeace piracy?

A few posters seem to be under the impression that Sea Shepherd is a Greenpeace operation. They're actually completely different organisations. And Sea Shepherd's tactics are significantly more aggressive than Greenpeace's.
 
Checkmite said:
"Piracy" is a broad term that covers several different criminal activities when they are committed at sea. Boarding another vessel without permission or authorization (or in the face of denial of these) does count as an act of piracy, yes.
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Um, no. Piracy is very explicitly defined under International Maritime Law, and illegally boarding another vessel or installation is not, in itself, piracy.
 
fuelair said:
I dunno, maybe send out letters, develop mailing and other contacts, ask for money through the many channels that handle that, tweet, set up an informational website that covers problems everywhere, go try and save some glaciers. Don't do crap that endangers the lives of real people doing real jobs because they have real families to support but try to do stuff that might lead the way to different more environmentally sound jobs for more people. Just as a quick thought.
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information is out enough. people are just not intersted in it.
so you need sopmething spectacular that gets you the attention needed.

and its amazing how even on a sceptics forum, people seem to care more about a few workers being endagered rather than humanity being endagered. humanity just doesn't get it. willfull ignorance and denial.
sad to watch actually.

PS: also your "real people" greenpeace are also real people and they protest a real problem.
 
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gumboot said:
A few posters seem to be under the impression that Sea Shepherd is a Greenpeace operation. They're actually completely different organisations. And Sea Shepherd's tactics are significantly more aggressive than Greenpeace's.
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This. The founder of Sea Shepherds, Paul Watson, left Greenpeace because he found their actions not aggressive enough. Greenpeace's claim that the guys who climbed the drilling platform wanted to hang up a banner is fully in line with their usual tactics. The Russian claim that they wanted to seize the platform, or threatened anyone, is ludicrous.
 
The Russians continue to show themselves as responsible and civilized members of the community of Western nations...

I'm still inclined to think that the best thing that could be done at this point is simply (as one pundit suggested) move the Winter Olympics to Montreal.
It would be a nice statement.
 
"Disarm" and "begin disarmament" are functionally identical statements in English.

Besides, the work of nuclear disarmament in the US actually began over a decade ago and is proceeding according to schedule as far as I'm aware.
 
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Checkmite said:
Then why are they calling on Russia to release the arrested activists?
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Because they love to make noise. And of course, people might recognize their cynicism if they now cheered on the Russians and demanded to have all their yahoos sent to Verkhoyansk for 15 years, because martyrs are so great for raising donations.
 
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arthwollipot said:
Sea Shepherd illegally boarded Japanese whaling boats in the Southern Ocean in an action that has been described as "piracy".

Anyway, Human Rights Watch has weighed in against Russia in this case.
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In this case HRW is wrong IMO. They boarded illegaly a vessel at sea, they need to feel the full consequence of the law. Letting get them away with a pat on the hand is more or less a call to get them to continue. Greenpeace and other organisation need to learn to work WITH the law. If they don't want to , then they need to be treated as felon/criminal.
 
Aepervius said:
In this case HRW is wrong IMO. They boarded illegaly a vessel at sea, they need to feel the full consequence of the law. Letting get them away with a pat on the hand is more or less a call to get them to continue. Greenpeace and other organisation need to learn to work WITH the law. If they don't want to , then they need to be treated as felon/criminal.
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i guess that is aslong YOU agree with the laws. :rolleyes:
 
Aepervius said:
In this case HRW is wrong IMO. They boarded illegaly a vessel at sea
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No they didn't.


Aepervius said:
they need to feel the full consequence of the law. Letting get them away with a pat on the hand is more or less a call to get them to continue. Greenpeace and other organisation need to learn to work WITH the law. If they don't want to , then they need to be treated as felon/criminal.
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They haven't committed an act of piracy, so charging them with piracy is totally unacceptable.
 
They were illegally trying to board one of the most dangerous structures in the world with no thought to either the crews or their own safety.

It is all very well to say it is their choice, but if something had gone wrong, it would be the rigs crew who are the ones risking their lives trying to save them.

They wanted the spotlight and they got it.

They just have to deal with the consequences
 
Checkmite said:
"Disarm" and "begin disarmament" are functionally identical statements in English.
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Yet may have different meaning depending on context ranging from symbolical to concrete removal of armaments. Which do you think she ment when saying it in her phone-call while in custody? That her intention was actually to destroy or carry away nuclear weapons with her superpowers?
 
cullennz said:
They were illegally trying to board one of the most dangerous structures in the world with no thought to either the crews or their own safety.
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Two of them were. And those two should be prosecuted for their actions. (Although I reject the idea that there was no thought of safety - Greenpeace do this sort of thing all the time and those who do this stuff are experienced and well-equipped climbers, they're not total yahoos).

The following day Russian authorities illegally boarded and seized the Greenpeace vessel at gunpoint, taking the 28 people on board illegally into custody. It's kidnapping and illegal seizure, plain and simple.


cullennz said:
It is all very well to say it is their choice, but if something had gone wrong, it would be the rigs crew who are the ones risking their lives trying to save them.

They wanted the spotlight and they got it.

They just have to deal with the consequences
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I have no problem with the two who were attempting to board the rig being arrested and charged with the appropriate infractions. Piracy is not appropriate, and the Greenpeace vessel should have been left alone.

It's worth nothing that in the past the Russian authorities have allowed Greenpeace to carry out similar activities in the area.
 
I would applaud the Greenpeace members for their courage to stick to their beliefs if they weren't whining so much about it.

It's a well known fact that Russia is taking a very tough line against the west recently to play the nationalistic us vs them line that helps politicians keep the public opinion away from internal problems.
The target is a property of said Russian government, thus a severe reaction is to be expected.

Had they done that and then said, look we care about our cause SO much we are willing to risk that, I'd be impressed.
Whereas now I get the feeling that they want publicity, but no consequences. Spoiled rich children getting punished and wanting to buy their way out.
 
I heard one report that they were moaning no one spoke English.

If true, it is quite amusing
 
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