Gratitude, Compulsion, Idiocy or Nobility?

[JayUtah]

Consider both as food.

That's not the point. Catholics believe in transubstantiation. That's a doctrine that says that what is made as bread literally becomes human flesh. It says that what is made as ordinary wine I becomes human blood. Are you claiming these transformations are natural?

 

[JayUtah]

What is bread & wine?

In Catholicism it is no longer considered bread and wine. Catholics believe what is manufactured as bread and wine becomes human flesh and human blood. Do you believe this is possible in nature?

 

[Kumar]

That's not the point. Catholics believe in transubstantiation. That's a doctrine that says that what is made as bread literally becomes human flesh. It says that what is made as ordinary wine I becomes human blood. Are you claiming these transformations are natural?

Yes. Carbs are able to be converted into sugar, fats & proteins, basic biochemicals.

 

[abaddon]

What is bread & wine?

According to catholicism, the actual flesh and blood of a man. Is eating the flesh of a man and drinking his blood a natural thing? Especially when one starts with bread and wine? This is natural to you?

 

[Kumar]

In Catholicism it is no longer considered bread and wine. Catholics believe what is manufactured as bread and wine becomes human flesh and human blood. Do you believe this is possible in nature?

That introduction manufacturing process shall also be due to progression of nature. Nothing can be without nature's influence.

 

[JayUtah]

Yes. Carbs are able to be converted into sugar, fats & proteins, basic biochemicals.

The question is not about "basic biochemicals." Transubstantiation is the literal transformation of bread into human flesh, not "basic biochemicals." It is the literal transformation of wine into human blood, not into "basic biochemicals." Moreover, it is believed to be the literal transformation into the flesh and blood of a specific human, that is, Jesus of Nazareth.

If I go to a Catholic church this Sunday, I will be served a wafer of bread and a sip of wine which they tell me has instantly and mystically become the literal flesh and blood of a man who -- if he lived at all -- died almost two thousand years ago.

Your challenge is to explain how this could happen in nature.

 

[abaddon]

Yes. Carbs are able to be converted into sugar, fats & proteins, basic biochemicals.

That is not the point.

 

[JayUtah]

That introduction manufacturing process shall also be due to progression of nature. Nothing can be without nature's influence.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[abaddon]

That introduction manufacturing process shall also be due to progression of nature. Nothing can be without nature's influence.

Great. Please tell us all exactly how some bread and wine can naturally become human flesh and human blood before you even consume it.

 

[Kumar]

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Can be because I am not quite familiar to these terms. Expressed to whatever I could understood. You can point out my misunderstandings which I shall correct.

 

[Kumar]

That is not the point.

Then what is the point? Define terms in detail. Probably I misunderstood, since not familiar to those.

 

[Filippo Lippi]

Here you, oh Great Sage

 

[Kumar]

Great. Please tell us all exactly how some bread and wine can naturally become human flesh and human blood before you even consume it.

Is it before consuming? Even if so, psychological base natural processes also exist in our body which can be triggered just by seeing, hearing etc. Eg. Cephalic phase effect.

 

[Kumar]

Great. Please tell us all exactly how some bread and wine can naturally become human flesh and human blood before you even consume it.

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Then by "low dose/sense stimulation of physiological activities" affect.

 

[Filippo Lippi]

Hooray! We're back to homeopathy. It took awhile, but here we are

 

[Pixel42]

For goodness' sake, Kumar. There is nothing natural about transubstantiation. Or the resurrection. Or praying for healing. Or sacrificing a virgin to the volcano god to stop it erupting. Or dozens of other religious beliefs which are clearly contrary to the way nature actually works. Admit you were wrong and move on.

 

[Kumar]

Hooray! We're back to homeopathy. It took awhile, but here we are

No, that is common with one side of nature. So natural.

 

[Kumar]

For goodness' sake, Kumar. There is nothing natural about transubstantiation. Or the resurrection. Or praying for healing. Or sacrificing a virgin to the volcano god to stop it erupting. Or dozens of other religious beliefs which are clearly contrary to the way nature actually works. Admit you were wrong and move on.

When violence, cruelity, placebo, sacrificing, low dose/sense stimulation etc.can be natural, why everything can not be?

 

[Pixel42]

When violence, cruelity, placebo, sacrificing, low dose/sense stimulation etc.can be natural, why everything can not be?

When some things are green why can't everything be green?

Not everything is green, Kumar. And not all religious beliefs are derived from nature. In fact I'd estimate that the majority are not.

 

[Mojo]

I follow true religion which is fully based on universal religion and can vest in any religion--fully or partly, one way or the other. Nature is not one sided, yes religion or any individual can be. Level & specificity is the only difference in any religion or of making base of nature.




If ANY religion justify true religion, that will be my religion. So nothing odd or specific in that. Absolute non-violence is neither possible nor suggested.

The beliefs of different religions contradict each other. How do you know which bits of which religion are true?

I think, I shall need more comments from other members, whether energy can change into different forms in nature due to natural processes?

Yes, but it's got nothing to do with religious beliefs.