Gratitude, Compulsion, Idiocy or Nobility?

[Filippo Lippi]

It is an interesting mindset that thinks, "these rice/wheat/maize/etc plants, or bulls for that matter, why don't they fight back?" One might conclude it's a willful misunderstanding of how evolution and agricultural selection work.

 

[Filippo Lippi]

Kumar, how regularly do you witness famers choking their chickens? Do you find yourself compelled to seek out this spectacle?

 

[dann]

Above suggests "mutually beneficial" relationship--somewhat symbiotic. Does it followed?

No. And no.

 

[dann]

Also look like it. But whether compulsion not go when they set free?

Your question has already been answered several times!

 

[Kumar]

It is an interesting mindset that thinks, "these rice/wheat/maize/etc plants, or bulls for that matter, why don't they fight back?" One might conclude it's a willful misunderstanding of how evolution and agricultural selection work.

We may need to check, what nature made and what we made relevant to out relations with other species? Symbiosis, friendly or just food? How other species take us and how we take them? Are animals/birds esp those which are used as food usually friendly or dependent on human?

Whether any natural relation exist which suggest, nurshing and loving to inferior ones entitle us, killing them?

 

[dann]

Are animals/birds esp those which are used as food usually friendly or dependent on human?

Most farm animals are pretty friendly. Those who weren't were eaten. So were the friendly ones, but not until after they'd been allowed to reproduce …

 

[Kumar]

Kumar, how regularly do you witness famers choking their chickens? Do you find yourself compelled to seek out this spectacle?

???. I have seen in shops. Yes in farms and during transportation It may not be seens unless farms are directly involved in their processing.

For the purpose of this topic, we also need to find natural relations betwenn human & these animals. Expression of one type of relation is Symbiosis with 3 main variations:

Symbiosis can vary between mutualism, commensalism, and parasitism, though these grade into each other, and it is often difficult to tell which is involved in a given relationship. In mutualism, both organisms benefit. In commensalism, one benefits and the other is unaffected; in parasitism, one benefits and the other is harmed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_symbiotic_relationships

Btw, can we classify our relation with those animals/birds parasitism as defined above?

 

[Kumar]

Most farm animals are pretty friendly. Those who weren't were eaten. So were the friendly ones, but not until after they'd been allowed to reproduce …

Which type of relationship we have with these animals? Symbiotic? If yes, which type out of below?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_symbiotic_relationships

 

[Kumar]

No. And no.

We are not able to define true and natural relationship between human and these animals used for food. Family, parental, friends, inimical, symbiotic or otherwise.

 

[fuelair]

You've shown no evidence that the food animals you're describing are capable of this degree of cognition. You're assumptively anthropomorphizing them.

Do not fall into the trap of anthropomorphizing K!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[fuelair]

I tend to look both sides. To look both sides, I need to look and talk on both sides. To me voilence is voilence toward all beings--zoological or botanical esp when posterity is also destroyed alongwith and esp when it is other than for basic need. So nothing is one sidedness from my POV.

I take it (from your own words) that you only perceive two possible sides for things being presented/discussed.

 

[fuelair]

"I've looked at life from both sides now
From up and down and still somehow
It's life's illusions I recall
I really don't know life at all"

(J. Mitchell)

Kumar is no J. Mitchell!!!!!! And never will be!!!

 

[fuelair]

Above suggests "mutually beneficial" relationship--somewhat symbiotic. Does it followed?

Does it followed what??? Not to mention how does it if it does!!!!!!!? Or, why?!!!!!

 

[fuelair]

Kumar, how regularly do you witness famers choking their chickens? Do you find yourself compelled to seek out this spectacle?

Likely to be his favorite pass time!!!!!

 

[Mojo]

Kumar, how regularly do you witness famers choking their chickens? Do you find yourself compelled to seek out this spectacle?

???. I have seen in shops.

What sort of shops do you frequent?

 

[Mojo]

We are not able to define true and natural relationship between human and these animals used for food. Family, parental, friends, inimical, symbiotic or otherwise.

Agricultural.

 

[fuelair]

Also look like it. But whether compulsion not go when they set free?

This will answer those questions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoYJh6ZRj8o

 

[Kumar]

Agricultural can also be f two types:1. Without violence. 2 with violence. Like we raise cows...for milk and diary and for beef. We grow plants for fruits and for other parts. Which is more relevant? Nature gives and we forcibly take from nature is only difference.

 

[Hokulele]

Agricultural can also be f two types:1. Without violence. 2 with violence. Like we raise cows...for milk and diary and for beef. We grow plants for fruits and for other parts. Which is more relevant? Nature gives and we forcibly take from nature is only difference.

Does this mean that all carnivores are unnatural?

 

[Kumar]

Does this mean that all carnivores are unnatural?

No, not all but some can be.