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Gratitude, Compulsion, Idiocy or Nobility?

You're talking bollocks again. Your use of prime, secondary, natural, odds etc. are all arbitrary.
Now it's 'old' smoke vs. 'recently generated' smoke?

What do you hope to achieve?

It shall be great understanding.

Few posters said previously that basic nature's rules do not changes but I felt those are ever changing and become secondary natural. Although cooking become natural, justify me, but I feel, it is big cost to us. It may suggest, all secondaries, even became secondary natural but can never be like primary natural. So in this sense, Basic natural rules hold main credit.
 
Then why did you say it was?

Where? Anyway, I shall now be concentrating on BIG outcome from these discussions(as per my last reply to fagin) i.e cooking effect, as being secondary natural. Primary may only hold main validity and secondary with lot of odds. So your saying that natural rules do not change, can hold validity inspite of cooking became secondary natural(gross nature rules), justify me.
 
It shall be great understanding.

Few posters said previously that basic nature's rules do not changes but I felt those are ever changing and become secondary natural. Although cooking become natural, justify me, but I feel, it is big cost to us. It may suggest, all secondaries, even became secondary natural but can never be like primary natural. So in this sense, Basic natural rules hold main credit.

This boils down to a claim that nature can't change over time. That's bollocks.
 
This boils down to a claim that nature can't change over time. That's bollocks.

Nature is ever changing with the evolution like cooked vs raw foods. But at what cost, it need to be very well understood. Link given be Pixel, is first clue to it.
 
Nature is ever changing with the evolution like cooked vs raw foods. But at what cost...

At the cost of any evolutionary step. You keep considering evolution to be a deliberate, planned process. It is not.

...it need to be very well understood.

No, that's not what evolution means. it does not mean to take cautious, well-studied, well-deliberated steps. Any evolutionary factor that produces an advantage may also pose a risk. If the environment changes to make that risk a greater factor than the advantage, then the survivability of the species changes.
 
At the cost of any evolutionary step. You keep considering evolution to be a deliberate, planned process. It is not.



No, that's not what evolution means. it does not mean to take cautious, well-studied, well-deliberated steps. Any evolutionary factor that produces an advantage may also pose a risk. If the environment changes to make that risk a greater factor than the advantage, then the survivability of the species changes.

True. This link, suggest both pros & cons:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raw_foodism#Role_of_cooking_in_human_evolution
 
True. This link, suggest both pros & cons

Yes, but you fail to realize that the proper response to having discovered a con is not to give up the pro. The practice of cooking food has proven to be a clear evolutionary advantage. When discovering that there are certain negative consequences, the answer is not to stop cooking food and lose the original advantage.

The problem with your argument is that it relies upon a romantic fantasy of nature that is taught to you by your religion and not derived from nature. Consequently you interpret every incident of self correction as some sort of proof that your fantasy is correct.
 
Oh, but that science is well known. Search for "thermodynamics".

Hans

I think, that is just observational based. Along with transformation of energy, we may also need to know science of its creation of force,energy and matter at prime level. I feel you denied it in other topic. Whether energy transformation into matter is not creation of matter at prime level AND, mediating of energy by matter is energy creation at secondary level?
 
I think, that is just observational based. Along with transformation of energy, we may also need to know science of its creation of force,energy and matter at prime level. I feel you denied it in other topic. Whether energy transformation into matter is not creation of matter at prime level AND, mediating of energy by matter is energy creation at secondary level?

Still deep into the babble, gobbledy-gook, logical fallacies and sheer nonsense. That's such a tangle mess it's not even good enough to be wrong.
 
Still deep into the babble, gobbledy-gook, logical fallacies and sheer nonsense. That's such a tangle mess it's not even good enough to be wrong.

If I am wrong, please tell me how force, energy and matter is primarily created? If we will not get this answer, we may have to depend on supernatural.
 
In view of few odds méntióned on línk given by Pixel aboút cookíng being evolved and became soméwhat secóndary natural, we may also need to better understsnd cooking relevancy to getting diseases. Probably cancer?

As usual, it seems your immediate reaction to not knowing something is to make up something.

Does cooking make you more prone to disease? To cancer? Why don't you find out and then tell us where the facts are? That's what you're supposed to do first, before you blurt out the first nonsense that comes into your head.
 
As usual, it seems your immediate reaction to not knowing something is to make up something.

Does cooking make you more prone to disease? To cancer? Why don't you find out and then tell us where the facts are? That's what you're supposed to do first, before you blurt out the first nonsense that comes into your head.

Have you read it?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raw_foodism#Role_of_cooking_in_human_evolution

We many need to look cooking deeply for:
decreased gastric acidity, enzymes, odd digestion and absorption, Advance Glycation End producs or otherwise.
 
If I am wrong, please tell me how force, energy and matter is primarily created? If we will not get this answer, we may have to depend on supernatural.
"The correct scientific response to anything that is not understood is always to look harder for the explanation, not give up and assume a supernatural cause". Sir David Attenborough.

As for the cooking thing: as JayUtah points out it's not unusual for natural selection to favour characteristics which have cons as well as pros, as long as the pros outweigh the cons. The sensible approach is to try to minimise the cons whilst retaining the pros. Lots of research is being done into the best way to optimise food preparation to maximise its nutritional benefit. Abandoning cooking is certainly not one of them.
 
"The correct scientific response to anything that is not understood is always to look harder for the explanation, not give up and assume a supernatural cause". Sir David Attenborough.

There fore I insist to wait and watch till anything become A&F in science or die in itself , if fake.

As for the cooking thing: as JayUtah points out it's not unusual for natural selection to favour characteristics which have cons as well as pros, as long as the pros outweigh the cons. The sensible approach is to try to minimise the cons whilst retaining the pros. Lots of research is being done into the best way to optimise food preparation to maximise its nutritional benefit. Abandoning cooking is certainly not one of them.

Two angles are there. 1: whether things can be managed without cooking and do not take cons? 2. whether things can not be managed anyway and cons have to accept? It depend on an individual to understand and opt accordingly. Many many things can be thought about cooking and all secondary natural things.
 
You can, of course, choose to do anything you like, no matter how idiotic.

It is not Idiotic:

Carcinogens[edit]

Chicken, pork and bacon-wrapped corn cooking in a barbecue smoker. Barbecuing and smoking generate carcinogens.
In a human epidemiological analysis by Richard Doll and Richard Peto in 1981, diet was estimated to cause a large percentage of cancers.[27] Studies suggest that around 32% of cancer deaths may be avoidable by changes to the diet.[28] Some of these cancers may be caused by carcinogens in food generated during the cooking process, although it is often difficult to identify the specific components in diet that serve to increase cancer risk. Many foods, such as beef steak and broccoli, contain low concentrations of both carcinogens and anticarcinogens.[29]

Several studies published since 1990 indicate that cooking meat at high temperature creates heterocyclic amines (HCAs), which are thought to increase cancer risk in humans. Researchers at the National Cancer Institute found that human subjects who ate beef rare or medium-rare had less than one third the risk of stomach cancer than those who ate beef medium-well or well-done.[30] While avoiding meat or eating meat raw may be the only ways to avoid HCAs in meat fully, ...
Carcinogens[edit]

Chicken, pork and bacon-wrapped corn cooking in a barbecue smoker. Barbecuing and smoking generate carcinogens.
In a human epidemiological analysis by Richard Doll and Richard Peto in 1981, diet was estimated to cause a large percentage of cancers.[27] Studies suggest that around 32% of cancer deaths may be avoidable by changes to the diet.[28] Some of these cancers may be caused by carcinogens in food generated during the cooking process, although it is often difficult to identify the specific components in diet that serve to increase cancer risk. Many foods, such as beef steak and broccoli, contain low concentrations of both carcinogens and anticarcinogens.[29]

Several studies published since 1990 indicate that cooking meat at high temperature creates heterocyclic amines (HCAs), which are thought to increase cancer risk in humans. Researchers at the National Cancer Institute found that human subjects who ate beef rare or medium-rare had less than one third the risk of stomach cancer than those who ate beef medium-well or well-done.[30] While avoiding meat or eating meat raw may be the only ways to avoid HCAs in meat fully, ..

ther health issues[edit]
Cooking dairy products may reduce a protective effect against colon cancer. Researchers at the University of Toronto suggest that ingesting uncooked or unpasteurized dairy products (see also Raw milk) may reduce the risk of colorectal cancer

Heating sugars with proteins or fats can produce advanced glycation end products ("glycotoxins").[38] These have been linked to ageing and health conditions such as diabetes and obesity. This, then, causes an entirely different type of cooking, related to diets specifically for health conditions, including diabetes. [39]..

Deep fried food in restaurants may contain high level of trans fat, which is known to increase levels of low-density lipoprotein that in turn may increase risk of heart diseases and other conditions. However, many fast food chains have now switched to trans-fat-free alternatives for deep-frying.[40]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooking

Most foods contain carbs, fats & Protien. Carbs being somewhat sugar, if cooked by heating can produce Advanced glycation end products, which are quite harmful(ref above and links given previously). Moreover cooking can change digestion and absorption process alongwith anatomical losses. I have faint understanding, underexposure of gastric acid Hcl in digestive tract, may cause some big problems.

A comparison about health among raw food eater and cooked food eater will be important & necessity. Colon cancer is big disease in humans.
 
Waiting for anything to be "A&F" and refusing to accept well supported conclusions based on the available evidence until that impossible state is reached is idiotic.
 
Waiting for anything to be "A&F" and refusing to accept well supported conclusions based on the available evidence until that impossible state is reached is idiotic.

Okay, intelligence will be then, when we can accept all non A&F things which are well existing. Ok?:)
 

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