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Gratitude, Compulsion, Idiocy or Nobility?

Kumar, why don't you apply the same reasoning to eating meat that you do to things you approve of? Many millions, possibly even billions, of people eat meat, and there is evidence that our ancestors were butchering animal carcasses well over three million years ago. Is that not "mass existing since long? By your standards eating meat is A Good Thing.
 
Let us then accept, all mass existing things since long are valid. However least side effects also matter. :)
 
No, your desired belief is not some a priori absolute fact.



No. People who raise food and eat it are not brutish gluttons.



No. You simply declared victory based on nothing and continue to level moral accusations against your critics. If you want to leave, leave. But as long as you decide to stay, you need to get beyond pontificating.



We're not going to end this discussion on your empty declaration of victory, your dishonesty, and your continued moralizations. As long as you keep posting, I will keep attempting to hold you accountable.

Similarily applicable on you: your desired belief is not some a priori absolute fact.
 
You were shown the facts that disputed the claims made in the article. You just referred again to the article and said you were not prepared to accept those facts because PETA disagreed. You are still presuming that PETA is an authority. You were shown why they are not. You still want to claim PETA as an authority, but you're uncomfortable defending them. You're simply being irrational.

Since, both sides about them were indicated to me as if, on some point they are ok but not on other point. Obviously, it will create confusion. Moreover, on one side people are supporting them and giving much donations but on other side other people are opposing them. Since both sides are well existing, confusions will definitely be there to independent person....trying to conclude with equanimity. One can feel, no use to sustain brain dead person other can feel to maintain him anyway till his last breath. How an independent person will decide, what is right, what is rational or what is emotional?
 
Validity and choice can be two different things. It is not necessary whatever is valid should also be our choice.
 
Validity and choice can be two different things. It is not necessary whatever is valid should also be our choice.


You regularly chose things that are not even remotely valid, and expect everyone else to accept them because they are "mass existing since long". Why do you not accept eating meat until it die in itself?
 
Idiocy.
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How peta is justifying and telling? They themselves stamped it. Somewhat a mercy killing. I don't know, how much it is moral, rational and legal there? Don't people maintain their pet animals till their natural death?

https://www.peta.org/issues/companion-animal-issues/overpopulation/euthanasia/
https://www.peta.org/issues/companion-animal-issues/cruel-practices/
https://www.peta.org/issues/animals-used-for-food/factory-farming/
https://www.peta.org/issues/animals-used-for-food/meat-environment/

Trying to better understand peta. Many logics on above links. Any comments?
 
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Millions of Europeans observed swans over more than a thousand years. Every swan seen was white. Hence, it was irrefutable (or worship it) that all swans are white.

I wonder what those big black birds in Australia are.

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Idiocy. If one claim moon exist since long in understanding of people at mass, it does not mean he has to go on to moon and taste it personally.
 
How an independent person will decide, what is right, what is rational or what is emotional?

By learning to think critically, which is a talent you do not possess. You hear PETA telling you themselves how wonderful they are. You hear other people showing evidence of their misdeeds, in some cases public records whose validity is not rationally in dispute. What is the proper critical approach here? Do you think the bad things about an organization, which are true, will be published by the organization? Does the mere fact that someone opposes an organization make them biased such that their reasons for opposition become invalid?

You have PETA's very large public relations department telling you how, sadly, some animals are simply beyond hope and must be euthanized with great sorrow and sadness. But in contrast you have ex-employees swearing affidavits stating under penalty of perjury that PETA made them kill perfectly good animals. Which is most likely to be true? How would you know that?
 
By learning to think critically, which is a talent you do not possess. You hear PETA telling you themselves how wonderful they are. You hear other people showing evidence of their misdeeds, in some cases public records whose validity is not rationally in dispute. What is the proper critical approach here? Do you think the bad things about an organization, which are true, will be published by the organization? Does the mere fact that someone opposes an organization make them biased such that their reasons for opposition become invalid?

You have PETA's very large public relations department telling you how, sadly, some animals are simply beyond hope and must be euthanized with great sorrow and sadness. But in contrast you have ex-employees swearing affidavits stating under penalty of perjury that PETA made them kill perfectly good animals. Which is most likely to be true? How would you know that?
They have given their justifícation on their site. I read few articles on their site and gave here before few posts.
 
Euthanizing pets is a mercy killing only if you consider all the alternatives as worse. The official PETA position seems to consider the simple sense of being unwanted as such a fate, but I would suggest that such a feeling is more imposed by humans than felt by animals.

All this depends a great deal on what you read into things, and that is a human thing, not an animal thing. If you attribute higher feelings and ideas to animals, who is to say they would not rather be eaten than euthanized and buried whole? I contend that you cannot, within the moral framework of PETA, provide a good reason why they should not be humanely slaughtering pets and giving the meat to the poor.

I think it is true (a rare event indeed) when you say there is a difference between validity and choice. But it is a difference you seem to apply more to yourself than to others.
 
Idiocy.
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How peta is justifying and telling? They themselves stamped it. Somewhat a mercy killing. I don't know, how much it is moral, rational and legal there? Don't people maintain their pet animals till their natural death?

https://www.peta.org/issues/companion-animal-issues/overpopulation/euthanasia/
https://www.peta.org/issues/companion-animal-issues/cruel-practices/
https://www.peta.org/issues/animals-used-for-food/factory-farming/
https://www.peta.org/issues/animals-used-for-food/meat-environment/

Trying to better understand peta. Many logics on above links. Any comments?

Excuse me, why are we discussing ... PETA ...?

What does that matter?

Hans
 
Excuse me, why are we discussing ... PETA ...?

What does that matter?

Hans

True, it is irrelevant to topic subject but made issue just by one casual quote. We should avoid it. I just have to reply the posts unnecessarily.
 
True, it is irrelevant to topic subject but made issue just by one casual quote. We should avoid it. I just have to reply the posts unnecessarily.

No, no one is forcing you to defend PETA. Just renounce them and concede that the source has been discredited. The problem is that you can't back down on anything.
 
But that doesn't address what I wrote.

Yes making own assessments, excuses or rationals, may not be absolute in truthful sense. We can not be decider of life. Let the mother nature walk on its own foot. We should not initiate it to move on our foot. We can do just slightly to keep it balanced.
 

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