Graham: "God Alllowed Katrina"

So, my father has the right to have me evicerated by she-bears, or to turn my sister into a pillar of salt?
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Your earthly father did not create you, nor does he have natural ultimate authority over you.
 
BJQ87 said:
Your earthly father did not create you, nor does he have natural ultimate authority over you.
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What is this "natural" ultimate authority? Are you claiming a natural right? Are rights inherent, and if so, which ones; or are rights imposed or assumed, in which case there are no natural rights?

Do you have a natural right to life, for example? And how do you plead this right in the face of a tornado or a terminal illness?

I'm afraid you'll have to prove your claim that "natural ultimate authority" exits.
 
Do you have a natural right to life, for example? And how do you plead this right in the face of a tornado or a terminal illness?
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Do I have a natural right to life? Only if God, the creator of all things, allows it of course. How do I plead this in the face of a tornado or a terminal illness? Prayer.
 
BJQ87 said:
Do I have a natural right to life? Only if God, the creator of all things, allows it of course. How do I plead this in the face of a tornado or a terminal illness? Prayer.
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BUZZ! Wrong answer. You go climb in the cellar, or you go to the doctor. Doing nothing by praying to an imaginary sky cheif is going to do nothing at all to help you.
 
What's the difference between the bible and The Divinci dode?

The bible IS plagarising the myths that came before it.
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The DiVinci code, well, I'm not too sure......
 
As is frequently the case, Monty Python said it best:

All things dull and ugly,
All creatures short and squat,
All things rude and nasty,
The Lord God made the lot.
Each little snake that poisons,
Each little wasp that stings,
He made their brutish venom,
He made their horrid wings.
All things sick and cancerous,
All evil great and small,
All things foul and dangerous,
The Lord God made them all.
Each nasty little hornet,
Each beastly little squid,
Who made the spikey urchin,
Who made the sharks, He did.
All things scabbed and ulcerous,
All pox both great and small,
Putrid, foul and gangrenous,
The Lord God made them all.
AMEN.
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BUZZ! Wrong answer. You go climb in the cellar, or you go to the doctor. Doing nothing by praying to an imaginary sky cheif is going to do nothing at all to help you.
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I didn't know prayer required me to not go see a doctor or run away from a tornado. That's like me shooting myself in the head right now with a gun and praying that God would stop the bullet from going into my head.
 
BJQ87 said:
I didn't know prayer required me to not go see a doctor or run away from a tornado. That's like me shooting myself in the head right now with a gun and praying that God would stop the bullet from going into my head.
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I'm not responsible for your omission, nor your back peddaling.
 
You were saying that your imaginary man who lives in the sky has the ultimate authority over you. Being infinitely powerful, it is he who causes floods, hurricanes, tornados and cancer. In order to be internally consistent with this model of the universe, you must never do anything at all to thwart his will, whatever lethal form it takes.
 
BJQ87 said:
I didn't know prayer required me to not go see a doctor or run away from a tornado. That's like me shooting myself in the head right now with a gun and praying that God would stop the bullet from going into my head.
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Why shouldn't you try that? Faith can move mountains, supposedly-- surely it could stop a bullet?

(Note: I'm making a rhetorical point here-- please do not try that!)
 
BJQ87 said:
Do I have a natural right to life? Only if God, the creator of all things, allows it of course. How do I plead this in the face of a tornado or a terminal illness? Prayer.
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Please supply some proof that God created all things.

Do you pray when your illness is not terminal? If you go to the doctor, it might be more effective. Of course you religious types are all about suffering, so maybe this isn't an option for you.

No, that's not true. After you realize you're talking to yourself and still feel like crap, you'll call the doctor. Or is that providence? Does god answer your prayers by guiding you to the phone and phonebook? Have you considered cutting out the middle man?
 
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Pauliesonne said:
What's the difference between the bible and The Divinci dode?

The bible IS plagarising the myths that came before it.
and
The DiVinci code, well, I'm not too sure......
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One is full of terrible writing, not-believable characters, ridiculous situations, and an ending you could telegraph from a mile away.

The other is the bible.

(I've graduated from U of Toronto with an Art History specialist; believe me when I say the parts when Brown writes about art are the only things that are somewhat believable. Bah. Dan Brown. *spits on the ground*)
 
Alliebubs said:
One is full of terrible writing, not-believable characters, ridiculous situations, and an ending you could telegraph from a mile away.

The other is the bible.
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The *other* one is the bible? At least the Leonardo Code is mildly entertaining.
 
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BJQ87 said:
Do I have a natural right to life? Only if God, the creator of all things, allows it of course. How do I plead this in the face of a tornado or a terminal illness? Prayer.
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Well, if prayer will help, it's not terminal, is it ?


Does God change his mind when you pray ?

According to Pat Robertson, you can get God to kill someone else instead of you.. That's cool ..
 
ImaginalDisc said:
The *other* one is the bible? At least the Leonardo Code is mildly entertaining.
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Yep. The *other* one is the bible. You mean to tell me cliched writing that's found in the DaStupid Code is more entertaining than reading the crap in the bible? I disagree.

(Just an aside, I meant to throw one of these (;)) at the end of "the other is the bible", to show that this post was more or less a joke... :))
 
Alliebubs said:
Yep. The *other* one is the bible. You mean to tell me cliched writing that's found in the DaStupid Code is more entertaining than reading the crap in the bible? I disagree.

(Just an aside, I meant to throw one of these (;)) at the end of "the other is the bible", to show that this post was more or less a joke... :))
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My humour circuts occasionally get fried when I realize some of the ridiculous things that get posted here are meant to be taken seriously.

Let's not deabte which fiction book of the two is worse. It's like debating about wether it's better to be eaten alive by bears, or whether it's better to suffocate in feces.
 
BJQ87 said:
Do I have a natural right to life? Only if God, the creator of all things, allows it of course. How do I plead this in the face of a tornado or a terminal illness? Prayer.
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You still haven't explained how this is "natural." That you believe such a claim exists, and that you have agreed to it, I can see. But how is it natural, or following from the nature of a thing?

But I understand your belief that your god has the right to take your life at any time. I'd consider myself a tool if I agreed to such a thing, so it's just as well I haven't.
 
You were saying that your imaginary man who lives in the sky has the ultimate authority over you. Being infinitely powerful, it is he who causes floods, hurricanes, tornados and cancer. In order to be internally consistent with this model of the universe, you must never do anything at all to thwart his will, whatever lethal form it takes.
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Assuming that in this model God didn't create hospitals and cellars then?
 
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