Grabbing Palestinian land, present tense

[varwoche]

Do I have this right...? Israel constructs a wall that separates land owners from their land, then claims the land based on an old "absentee" law?

Israel has reportedly begun seizing tracts of east Jerusalem land owned by Palestinians in the West Bank under a law not used for decades.
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That legislation allowed the seizure of property of Palestinians who had left Israel during the 1948 war.

Under the law, an absentee is anyone who in 1948 "was in any part of the land of Israel that is outside the area of Israel" - such as the West Bank.

The "absentee" owners - who in some cases live only 100 metres from their land on the other side of the separation barrier - may have no right to compensation for their lost land.
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Mr Sharon's office declined to comment, except to confirm the government's decision that the CAP had the right to "transfer, sell or lease" east Jerusalem lands belonging to absentee owners.

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[Cleon]

Obviously, you are showing your anti-semitism by even questioning Israel's glorious decision.

How dare you refer to it as a "wall"--despite it being made of concrete and being 20 feet tall, it is quite clearly a fence. You're simply trying to load the issue with emotional terms.

Remember, this is NOT a land grab, and any claims to the contrary are anti-semitic.

 

[a_unique_person]

For all the protestations to the contrary, it is acts like this that have helped fuel the phase of the war that has developed after Oslo. You do this kind of thing to enough people, they are going to hate you.

 

[demon]

Typical of Israel to show this sort of bad faith when there are supposed ceasefire negotiations going on.
Oslo anyone?

 

[CBL4]

For all the protestations to the contrary, it is acts like this

A suicide bomber killed at least 19 people and injured 172 at a popular seaside hotel Wednesday, the start of the Jewish religious holiday of Passover. At least 48 of the injured were described as "severely wounded."

March 27, 2002
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/03/27/mideast/
that have helped fuel the phase of the war that has developed after Oslo. You do this kind of thing to enough people, they are going to hate you.

CBL

 

[a_unique_person]

For all the protestations to the contrary, it is acts like this
March 27, 2002
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/03/27/mideast/
that have helped fuel the phase of the war that has developed after Oslo. You do this kind of thing to enough people, they are going to hate you.

CBL

And the land grabs, like this one, never stopped after Oslo was signed, either. Yes, they hate each other, and both sides haven't had enough of it yet.

 

[a_unique_person]

For all the protestations to the contrary, it is acts like this
March 27, 2002
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/03/27/mideast/
that have helped fuel the phase of the war that has developed after Oslo. You do this kind of thing to enough people, they are going to hate you.

CBL

You also fail to mention that terrorism was very low after OSLO compared with the levels that produced this. That is, Oslo was given a chance, the land grabs never stopped, Oslo was dead, the war was back on.

 

[webfusion]

wrong building materials

I think the Israelis made a mistake in their choice of construction materials. This cement and barbed-wire thing just looks terrible.

They should have called in some experts at this kind of "endless wall" project --

by Rein Nomm

or how about this ---

Running fence 1978
by the artist, Christo, (a 24 mile long, 18 foot high fence of white fabric stretched across the landscape.)

(news of the latest Christo living art exhibit in New York's Central Park Feb 12th)

 

[zenith-nadir]

What a stupid and pointless law, I hope it is overturned. Thank goodness the Palestinians have Israeli lawyers to respresent them in an Israeli court of law.

But since varwoche started a thread about Palestinians and land ownership and others feel strongly about the subject I was wondering if you folks would like to talk about other Palestinian land ownership issues. Did you know that over 350,000 Palestinians are forbidden to own land or even buy a house in Lebanon? Or that 30,000 Palestinians lost their homes and property when Gaddafi evicted them in '95? Or that 440,000 Palestinians lost their homes and property when Kuwait evicted them in the early 90's?

Since Palestinian land rights issues are really important to you guys I wanted to give you a chance to discuss these equally pressing Palestinian land rights issues. So who's the first to be outraged? a_u_p?, Cleon?, Demon?, varwoche?...

 

[a_unique_person]

What a stupid and pointless law, I hope it is overturned. Thank goodness the Palestinians have Israeli lawyers to respresent them in an Israeli court of law.

But since varwoche started a thread about Palestinians and land ownership and others feel strongly about the subject I was wondering if you folks would like to talk about other Palestinian land ownership issues. Did you know that over 350,000 Palestinians are forbidden to own land or even buy a house in Lebanon? Or that 30,000 Palestinians lost their homes and property when Gaddafi evicted them in '95? Or that 440,000 Palestinians lost their homes and property when Kuwait evicted them in the early 90's?

Since Palestinian land rights issues are really important to you guys I wanted to give you a chance to discuss these equally pressing Palestinian land rights issues. So who's the first to be outraged? a_u_p?, Cleon?, Demon?, varwoche?...

Never lose a chance to twist the facts. If you even look at the first link, it is about refugees. Guess what, Australia won't let Palestinians in to buy land, either. There is a very long queue that moves very slowly to let refugees in, and the current government seems to be able to make it move backwards. Now, if they had a place to call their own, there wouldn't be a refugee issue, would there? If their land was taken off them by subterfuge, then they wouldn't need to be refugees. Where do you expect them to live, and how are they supposed to eat and trade?

 

[zenith-nadir]

Never lose a chance to twist the facts. If you even look at the first link, it is about refugees. Guess what, Australia won't let Palestinians in to buy land, either. There is a very long queue that moves very slowly to let refugees in, and the current government seems to be able to make it move backwards. Now, if they had a place to call their own, there wouldn't be a refugee issue, would there? If their land was taken off them by subterfuge, then they wouldn't need to be refugees. Where do you expect them to live, and how are they supposed to eat and trade?

So it's about refugees is it....that would be a good topic of another thread.

Why are 2nd and 3rd generation Lebanese-born Palestinians still refugees? Certainly a third generation Lebanese-born Palestinian must be able to become a Lebanese citizen by now...

 

[Cleon]

What a stupid and pointless law, I hope it is overturned.

On the contrary; it's not stupid or pointless. The point is very simple; to steal land. Israel's been using this law for years, since 48. First, they used it to seize land owned by refugees (even if the refugees were, in an Israeli euphemism, "present absentees"). Now they're using it to seize land they purposely cut off with the wall.

But, of course, calling the wall a "land grab" is just anti-Semitic.

(I'm purposely not responding to zenith-nadir's obvious attempt to derail the thread into yet another "example" of how eeevvvillll Arabs are.)

 

[zenith-nadir]

(I'm purposely not responding to zenith-nadir's obvious attempt to derail the thread into yet another "example" of how eeevvvillll Arabs are.)

Oh, I get it... if you do debate Palestinian land issues outside of the West Bank or Gaza, let's say in Lybia, Lebanon or Kuwait, then it would only be justifying my example how "how eeevvvillll Arabs are"... wow, there's no pullin the wool over your eyes...

 

[a_unique_person]

So it's about refugees is it....that would be a good topic of another thread.

Why are 2nd and 3rd generation Lebanese-born Palestinians still refugees? Certainly a third generation Lebanese-born Palestinian must be able to become a Lebanese citizen by now...

That's how the Lebanese have called it.

 

[Cleon]

Oh, I get it... if you do debate Palestinian land issues outside of the West Bank or Gaza, let's say in Lybia, Lebanon or Kuwait, then it would only be justifying my example how "how eeevvvillll Arabs are"... wow, there's no pullin the wool over your eyes...

No, it's a matter of derailing a thread about Israel's land theft in order to deflect criticism of the State That May Not Be Criticized.

 

[Mycroft]

That's how the Lebanese have called it.

Of course that's how they call it, and unthinkingly you accept it.

Tell me, can you think of another group of people in the last 100 years or so where they have been considered refugees even after 3 or 4 generations?

 

[varwoche]

What a stupid and pointless law, I hope it is overturned. Thank goodness the Palestinians have Israeli lawyers to respresent them in an Israeli court of law.

But since varwoche started a thread about Palestinians and land ownership and others feel strongly about the subject I was wondering if you folks would like to talk about other Palestinian land ownership issues.

I'd be glad to discuss treatment of Palestinian refugees by Arab countries, though preferably in a different thread. (Indeed, it sounds outrageous. And if my tax dollars were supporting those nations financially, I'd be even more outraged.)

 

[TillEulenspiegel]

That's funny chit.
I feel more then vindicated by putting Zionist-Nucklehead on my ignore list. The counter posts demonstrait that persons lack of reasoning ability and monomania. He is the only "person" that exists in that list BTW.
If his style of rhetoric enthralls you You might want to try Alt.Nazi.bin or alt.History. or lackofgraspofreality.bin

 

[varwoche]

Nothing new in this Reuters article, however it explains the issues more clearly than the BBC article.

 

[zenith-nadir]

I feel more then vindicated by putting Zionist-Nucklehead on my ignore list. The counter posts demonstrait that persons lack of reasoning ability and monomania. He is the only "person" that exists in that list BTW. If his style of rhetoric enthralls you You might want to try Alt.Nazi.bin or alt.History. or lackofgraspofreality.bin

So Zenith = Alt.Nazi.bin. Hahahaha ....what a piece of work you are TillEulenspiegel...I am proud to be on the childish and immature ignore list of a individual who equates me with nazis