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Gorgeous George

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Georgeous George (as opposed to Champagne Charlie - a mistake easy to make ;) ) is in the latest series of Big Brother in the UK.

Now there are a lot of things we could discuss about this strange turn of events, but the one I want to talk about is his chosen charity.

For those who have just arrived, BB has a bunch of celebrities (OK that is stretching the term a little) desperately in search of a little luvin' from the wider public, couped up in a house until they are turfed out one by one. When normal plebs are used in the show the participants get to keep prize money they might win. With the luvvies, sorry celebs, they get a fee. George is donating his to a "charity" called Interpal.

This has caused some consternation for two reasons.

Interpal is, according to some UK media reports, a banned organisation in the US because it is judged to have terrorist links. In the UK it has been subject to investigation, but cleared by the Charities Commission for charitable status in the UK. Essentially it is a "charitable" arm of Hamas and the funds variously go towards health, education and other uses in PA areas usually under the control of and conforming to the policies of Hamas. Moreover, there are claims (I haven't researched enough to establish the veracity of these) that money tends to find itself to suitable needy people - particularly families of suicide bombers etc.

Now we could argue about what the money Interpal raises is or is not doing in Palestine and what evidence there is for such claims. However, most people would agree (I think) that Hamas is a terrorist organisation. Should the mere possibility of association with such an organisition be be justification for banning such charities? The nearest comparison I can think of is Noraid which collects money in the US for various purposes including charitable works in Northern Ireland, but is reputed to be linked to the IRA.


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Now we could argue about what the money Interpal raises is or is not doing in Palestine and what evidence there is for such claims. However, most people would agree (I think) that Hamas is a terrorist organisation. Should the mere possibility of association with such an organisition be be justification for banning such charities? The nearest comparison I can think of is Noraid which collects money in the US for various purposes including charitable works in Northern Ireland, but is reputed to be linked to the IRA.


Geck

I think it has to be like everything else - let the evidence lead you to the conclusion. If a charity is proved to have links to a terrorist organisation then I believe it is right for it to be banned (as it would be for any charity that has links with other criminal activities).

Considering that in this particular case the matter has apparently been looked into I would say the evidence is that there is not any actual direct "association" with teh charity and terrorism.


ETA: However it looks as if perhaps that "looked into" is a controversial point: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/ma...d=242&sSheet=/money/2006/01/07/ixcitytop.html ...However, Interpal hit back, pointing out that it had been cleared both times, and that the Board of Deputies of British Jews (BOD) had been forced to withdraw claims linking Interpal to terrorism on its website after the charity launched a libel action....
 
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If there is a charity operating in Palestine which has absolutely no connection with terrorism, I should be rather surprised.
The myriad autonomous armed groups in Palestine effectively control much of what goes on at street level. Any charity attempting to help people there must deal with these people at some level. This need not imply either support or sympathy for their methods.
To deny this would be like saying a multinational corporation can operate in Nigeria without "dashing" officials, or in America without interacting with the government.
The reality of Palestine is that there is no alternative to dealing with the terrorists at some level, as the police and government are all too aware.
 
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If I may make a request. Please include more descriptive titles on future threads. There are people here who probably will want to comment on this issue, but will never open your thread because they think it involves a 1950's U.S. professional wrestler (see C.S.'s photo). Also, descriptive thread titles make the threads easier to find months from now.
 
Essentially it is a "charitable" arm of Hamas and the funds variously go towards health, education and other uses in PA areas usually under the control of and conforming to the policies of Hamas.
If it is actually an arm of Hamas it is linked to terrorism, no matter how creative the accounting is. And the only "education" Hamas is involved in is teaching children the value of becoming suicide bombers and how evil Israel/Jews are and that they need to be destroyed.
 
If I may make a request. Please include more descriptive titles on future threads. There are people here who probably will want to comment on this issue, but will never open your thread because they think it involves a 1950's U.S. professional wrestler (see C.S.'s photo). Also, descriptive thread titles make the threads easier to find months from now.

Although I sometimes make the same mistake, I'll have to admit that I thought this to be a thread to be about either:

A. Brokeback Whitehouse, or

B. the U.S. President wondering what downtown Tehran looks like this time of year.
 

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