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[flume]

I'm sympathetic to Snoopy's reaction to the sig line though. It's clear in context for people who have followed the thread, but not accurate in itself. A few more words would reduce its impact but make it more fair. Happy to be helpful

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

So presumably their 'diagnoses' suffer the same fundamental weakness that their 'treatments' do?

They have no way of confirming the correctness and so simply fall back on credulousness and incredible confidence in their own instinctive judgement?

Might I refer my Antarctic friend to the Monkey's Sig Line?

 

[Chris Haynes]

You have to activate your account by clicking the link in the confrmation e-mail they send you ...

Actually I did... and I posted one post... and now each time I click on that link I get:
"There is a problem activating your membership."

They don't like me.

I think they also have a problem with a kid dying after being put on "Homoepathic" meds (the journalist misspelled it).

Oh... and the beauty of of the PubMed is how far back it goes. I think it is important to note that even a LONG time ago the scam of a "homeopathic vaccine" not working is true.

 

[Ralph]

Slightly distinct issues here. A basic tenet of homeopathy is not to enquire into causation of disease. All they are supposed to do is match remedy symptom lists to the patient's symptoms. They are supposed to eschew normal diagnoses because there is no single treatment for, say, congestive heart failure so having that label applied to a patient should be utterly irrelvant to them.

However, some of them break their own rules, but because they just sit in a room with a plant pot and a coffee machine and most are not doctors, they can't go ordering ECGs and blood tests, so if they did want a medical diagnosis someone else has to give it to them. But, that doesn't alter the fact that they are supposed to avoid pigeon-holing their patients.

However again, because most are doctor-wannabes, they really like the big talk of real diseases they can treat and it flatters them to say they treat eczema or diabetes. If they didn't apply those labels they would have no shorthand to describe their cases. What they are supposed to say is, "I had an interesting Rhus Tox case today", then reel off a hundred or so symptoms they reckon aligns that patient with the list of symptoms under Rhus Tox. Bearing in mind that for them "hates green wallpaper" or some such nonsense is meant to be on a par with "weak thready pulse and pale mucous membranes" in concluding what to give the patient. Indeed it is the "uncommon" symptoms taht are supposed to provide the most important matching parameters.

I really have been spending too long in these people's company!

In other words-----they're all just winging it.

 

[Benguin]

Might I refer my Antarctic friend to the Monkey's Sig Line?

I'm sure I wouldn't be the first to say "I couldn't disagree more"

 

[Rolfe]

I'm sympathetic to Snoopy's reaction to the sig line though. It's clear in context for people who have followed the thread, but not accurate in itself. A few more words would reduce its impact but make it more fair. Happy to be helpful

I don't have a lot of sympathy for Snoopy, whom I consider to be a dangerous lunatic. To the best of my knowledge it was she, under her own name, who wrote the following:

People always come to us last. By the time they get here, they've already been poisoned, mutilated, and relieved of their life savings. Nonetheless, they believe they've taken the right steps in seeing the "real" doctors first. If only they knew that the modern medical paradigm is built on a faulty premise!

.... What Hahnemann is trying to say here is, see a homeopath first.

Now, if I'd used her real name in my sig line, and/or if I hadn't provided the direct link to the thread so that anyone who was at all interested or concerned could read the whole thing, maybe that would have been a bit much.

But as it is, the sig line's staying until a JREF moderator tells me to remove it. (Or until my eye lights on something I like better, but that isn't likely to be this month.) Any bets on the likelihood of my being told to take it down?

I'm also quite chuffed by Naturalhealth's reaction.

WOULD YOU REMOVE THIS AS IT IS BOTH UNTRUE ABOUT SNOOPY AND IS QUITE FRANKLY A LIBELOUS STATEMENT ABOUT HER BASED ON YOUR FICTION!!!!

Noting of course that it was Naturalhealth herself who posted the "fiction" at H'pathy, without which none of this would have happened in the first place, and also that her own H'pathy sig line reads

Medical homeopath MFHom

which we know to be both untrue and an illegal claim to a qualification she doesn't have.

Wow, who would have thought such a little pebble as asking Kumar if he knew what Addison's disease is could have caused so many ripples!

Rolfe.

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Wow, who would have thought such a little pebble as asking Kumar if he knew what Addison's disease is could have caused so many ripples!

It's been so much fun, even i have re-joined the fray in spite of my IP ban.

http://homeopathyforums.hpathy.com//forum_posts.asp?TID=1716&TPN=3

http://homeopathyforums.hpathy.com//forum_posts.asp?TID=1711

http://homeopathyforums.hpathy.com//forum_posts.asp?TID=1697

I don't think Wim the woo deals well with contrary views. NH is quite rattled and more irrational than usual.

 

[Benguin]

I'm resisting the temptation.

My chiropractic told me mud-wrestling with pigs is bad for my back.

 

[Rolfe]

The weird thing is, it's been more than 24 hours and the thread is still alive. What's JanZy thinking of? Has she had such a good Fourth of July that she hasn't been fit to come online since?

And to think I composed these initial posts online and registered and posted as fast as I could press the keys in case I was banned before I could save the evidence!

Rolfe.

 

[exarch]

Originally posted by Ralph
In other words-----they're all just winging it.

I suppose they are really. And it doesn't matter, does it? Because they're prescribing water, called many different names except water, but that's what it is, so no matter what they prescribe, the effect will be the same.

The homeopath's real job is claiming success if the patient gets better on their own, or figuring out a good excuse if they don't.

 

[Rolfe]

Exarch, most of the time they're prescribing sugar pills.

Yes, it doesn't matter, except that when did you hear them going on about the magical memory of the sugar pill?

Rolfe.

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Yes, it doesn't matter, except that when did you hear them going on about the magical memory of the sugar pill?

You're right. The whole issue of 'memory of water' seems even less plausible when one remembers that there isn't any water.

 

[Benguin]

You're right. The whole issue of 'memory of water' seems even less plausible when one remembers that there isn't any water.

Awwww, not even a droplet?

 

[exarch]

Well, I just gave NaturalHealth a piece of my mind after she so confidently suggested she "knew what she was doing in her own practice". Gawd-d*mn, it just p*sses me off to no end that people like that are pretending to be doctors and making their patients believe they can trust them with their health and even their lives.

Gah!!

 

[flume]

Here's a handy way to convert liquid remedies to pellets.

 

[Rolfe]

Here's a handy way to convert liquid remedies to pellets.

Wow, they're just making it up as they go along! Interesting treatment of the question of the alcohol content though.

I was intrigued to learn from another site that the purpose of the sugar pills is actually to "fix" the remedy. Although modern homoeopaths seem to do a lot of energetic shaking, Hahnemann himself thought you could have too much of a good thing. He actually reduced the number of taps he gave the phials (on his bible) from ten to two, because he'd determined that this was more effective! Then he got worried that all the jolting and shaking the crates of product would get in transit to the retail outlets would over-potentise them and they'd be too powerful. Overdose!

So he decided that if he dipped some sugar pills in the remedy and let them dry out, that was the porency irrevocably fixed at its final value.

You couldn't make this up!





Except that they do.

Rolfe.

PS. Anybody know the difference between pellets, pillules and tablets? I did love Ricky's caution about getting some labels and labelling the bottls with the remedy used. What difference is it going to make??!!

 

[Rolfe]

By the way, somewhere on page three of that astoounding thread, Naturalhealth reveals that she's visiting here (probably frequently) in spite of being banned. So, we can talk about her all we like!

Hi, NH/HS (no "Corallinus" now, what a shame ), how you doing? Can't wait to have you back here, you know!

Rolfe.

 

[jimlintott]

Just for laughs I cut and pasted all of the woman's symptoms into google. It truncated the search but yet this was the top link on a page that mentions addison's disease many times.

I can only conclude that google is better at diagnosis than your average homeopath.

Made me laugh.

 

[exarch]

Jim, you should post that on H'pathy, really !!
Perhaps this will open the eyes of some of the homeopaths, and make them realise they are not competent enough to diagnose dangerous medical conditions and liable to kill someone because of that.

 

[Chris Haynes]

I don't have a lot of sympathy for Snoopy, whom I consider to be a dangerous lunatic. To the best of my knowledge it was she, under her own name, who wrote the following:Now, if I'd used her real name in my sig line, and/or if I hadn't provided the direct link to the thread so that anyone who was at all interested or concerned could read the whole thing, maybe that would have been a bit much.
...

Judging by her use of the pretty color fonts and the character of her writings on the "ezine" (I find it a bit childish) --- I do not think she is very bright. I truly wonder why she is held to such high esteem.

Well, considering the infighting, the poking about the dark for the "right remedy" and total cluelessness on matters of physiology and chemistry (I know MORE... and I'm just a structures engineer who managed to escape biology in high school!). I think their collective IQ would be hard pressed to finish the 8th grade Science WASL.

Note: Science WASL = Washington Assessment of Student Learning, a scholastic test required of all 8th graders in our state, some of the standards are http://www.seattleschools.org/area/acastan/stan/sci/Sci6_8.xml -- the kids are typically 13 and 14 years old.

editted for clarity