"God's total quality management questionnaire"

[uruk]

Yea, but what about my special theory of theological relativity?

Doesn't anybody care?
I worked really hard on it

 

[Hardenbergh]

And so there seems no proof of a God of any type and it is at least at this time a belief, the holder of such a belief and the non holders of such a belief should all give the same respect that seek. No one should seek to force their belief on another, tell others they are lost or wrong for their belief or non belief.

If one dose choose to demand truth either way they must expect and offer up proof. And of course answer questions

Antony Flew, a British philosophy professor and famous atheist, changed his mind about God according to this article dated 12/9/04.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=315976

 

[Pahansiri]

An atheist for decades, Antony Flew, a British philosophy professor and famous atheist, he changed his mind according to this article dated 12/9/04.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=315976

Greetings, and many people who believed in a God change their mind.

Here is a site with many such people and their stories http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~slocks/decon.html

 

[Iacchus]

Greetings, and many people who believed in a God change their mind.

Yes, but is it merely a matter of changing one's mind or, "one's perspective?"

 

[Pahansiri]

Yes, but is it merely a matter of changing one's mind or, "one's perspective?"

I don't know you will have to ask the British philosophy professor and famous ex-atheist. It may have to do with his age, fear and all that.

The mind is where ones Perspective is formed is it not? Can you change your mind but not your Perspective, can you change your Perspective but not your mind?

I believe if one has mutable personality disorder this may be the case but not in a normally functioning brain.

 

[lifegazer]

Greetings, and many people who believed in a God change their mind.

Unless we are God, then we have no free will.

Lifegazer's next thread: changing minds = we are God.

Coming to you soon. Don't miss it.

 

[Mercutio]

Yea, but what about my special theory of theological relativity?

Doesn't anybody care?
I worked really hard on it

I like it a lot. Especially the last sentence of your first post. And the theme is consistently worked, with Iacchus as straight man feeding you lines. Very nicely played.

 

[Pahansiri]

Unless we are God, then we have no free will.

Lifegazer's next thread: changing minds = we are God.

Coming to you soon. Don't miss it.

WOW an all powerful being with no free will... ouch

Lifegazer's next thread: changing minds = we are God.

Coming to you soon. Don't miss it.

Ok we have seen your fiction work, how about trying a non-fiction piece?

 

[pgwenthold]

Antony Flew, a British philosophy professor and famous atheist, changed his mind about God according to this article dated 12/9/04.

Wow, an argument from ignorance. I'm impressed.

Not really, though. I'm more disappointed than anything else. I was expecting the guy to come up with something worth worrying about. This is all the best he could do?

 

[uruk]

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Antony Flew, a British philosophy professor and famous atheist, changed his mind about God according to this article dated 12/9/04.


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It would appear that he got suckered in by the Irreducible complexity scam.

like it a lot. Especially the last sentence of your first post. And the theme is consistently worked, with Iacchus as straight man feeding you lines. Very nicely played.

Thanks for noticing. I'll be playing dinner theater in Peoria next week.

 

[ilk]

Yep, Mercutio has won the internet.

I hear the end boss is very tough.

 

[Iacchus]

I don't know you will have to ask the British philosophy professor and famous ex-atheist. It may have to do with his age, fear and all that.

The mind is where ones Perspective is formed is it not? Can you change your mind but not your Perspective, can you change your Perspective but not your mind?

I believe if one has mutable personality disorder this may be the case but not in a normally functioning brain.

You can change your mind and think whatever you want, but it is merely a matter of perspective of what is. Which is basically what my point is regarding this thread. So, whether people address God merely from the standpoint of wishful thinking -- without putting a lot of thought into it perhaps -- or not -- it doesn't really change anything, in terms of God's actual existence.

 

[Pahansiri]

You can change your mind and think whatever you want, but it is merely a matter of perspective of what is. Which is basically what my point is regarding this thread. So, whether people address God merely from the standpoint of wishful thinking -- without putting a lot of thought into it perhaps -- or not -- it doesn't really change anything, in terms of God's actual existence.

But until “God” is proven there is no “God's actual existence” at this point the God idea still stands as a belief, a myth. To be respected as a belief but not to be taken in anyway as fact or reality.

 

[Iacchus]

But until “God” is proven there is no “God's actual existence” at this point the God idea still stands as a belief, a myth. To be respected as a belief but not to be taken in anyway as fact or reality.

In other words by "default" God doesn't exist. No, I'm afraid this doesn't do any thing to further the argument. Why can't you simply say you don't know?

 

[Pahansiri]

In other words by "default" God doesn't exist. No, I'm afraid this doesn't do any thing to further the argument. Why can't you simply say you don't know?

In other words by "default" God doesn't exist. No, I'm afraid this doesn't do any thing to further the argument. Why can't you simply say you don't know?

Have you ever read anything I wrote?

I have NEVER said I KNOW a God does not exist. You really must read what is written.

I said, there seems to be no evidence or logic behind the belief but it may be the case I can not prove there is not. Just as I can not prove there is not a 100’ pink invisible bunny.

I don’t care either way.

Remember as I have told you many times if you can prove there is I will believe it my mind is always open.

You on the other hand demand there is no way there is not a God, your mind is very closed.

So, all you have to do is prove there is.


I know I know you do not answer Questions or provide proof we must simply believe you because you said so..

 

[Pahansiri]

Why can't you simply say you don't know?

Why can't you simply answer a question? I mean that with respect, why will you not answer a question?

I have shown you great respect, answer everthing you ask, told you I respect you and your belief, yet you will not return this, why?

Does it bother you so that people will not simply believe blindly what you say?

 

[Iacchus]

Have you ever read anything I wrote?

Have you ever read anything I wrote?

I have NEVER said I KNOW a God does not exist. You really must read what is written.

You really must read what is written.

I said, there seems to be no evidence or logic behind the belief but it may be the case I can not prove there is not. Just as I can not prove there is not a 100’ pink invisible bunny.

And would you maintain that the belief in a 100' invisible pink bunny was "rational?" If not, then this is clearly evidence of your "bias."

I don’t care either way.

Then perhaps you should learn to present your arguments in a less biased manner?

Remember as I have told you many times if you can prove there is I will believe it my mind is always open.

And, as I have said, more than a few times, it is not up to me to prove anything which, you can't prove to yourself.

You on the other hand demand there is no way there is not a God, your mind is very closed.

To the point of demanding everyone else believe it? No, of course not.

So, all you have to do is prove there is.

No, I don't have to prove anything to you or, anyone else.

I know I know you do not answer Questions or provide proof we must simply believe you because you said so..

LOL!

 

[Pahansiri]

Have you ever read anything I wrote?

You really must read what is written.

And would you maintain that the belief in a 100' invisible pink bunny was "rational?" If not, then this is clearly evidence of your "bias."

Then perhaps you should learn to present your arguments in a less biased manner?

And, as I have said, more than a few times, it is not up to me to prove anything which, you can't prove to yourself.

To the point of demanding everyone else believe it? No, of course not.

No, I don't have to prove anything to you or, anyone else.

LOL!

Have you ever read anything I wrote?

You know I have as I have answered every question and addressed all you have said. Of course you know that this is simply another childish response on your part.

You really must read what is written.

You really make yourself look foolish and that is sad as I do not believe you are really a foolish man.

And, as I have said, more than a few times, it is not up to me to prove anything which, you can't prove to yourself.

Of course I have proven to myself there is no logic behind the God idea of any facts. You have demanded you know the truth and there is a God but you offer no proof and simply make such silly statements.

You can not answer as you have no answers.

It is up to you to prove what you say is fact. The truth is you can not as all you have is a belief and I respect that. But you want others to believe your belief simply because you believe it.

You can not answer as you have no answers.

No, I don't have to prove anything to you or, anyone else.

When you say you hold the truth and others are wrong, yes you do.


You can not answer as you have no answers.


You do have a belief and I respect it as a belief.

 

[Iacchus]

Why can't you simply answer a question? I mean that with respect, why will you not answer a question?

I have shown you great respect, answer everthing you ask, told you I respect you and your belief, yet you will not return this, why?

Does it bother you so that people will not simply believe blindly what you say?

No, what bothers me most is that people won't understand. This is why I try not to carry it any further than what I think they "will" understand. There's also a verse in the bible that addresses this specifically, "Don't cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under foot and turn around and rend you to pieces." In other words you will never hear the end of it.

 

[Pahansiri]

No, what bothers me most is that people won't understand. This is why I try not to carry it any further than what I think they "will" understand. There's also a verse in the bible that addresses this specifically, "Don't cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under foot and turn around and rend you to pieces." In other words you will never hear the end of it.

No, what bothers me most is that people won't understand.

Understand what? You have simply for the most part said there is a god and that is it. You wish others to blindly follow you.

If you want others to “understand” offer proof, facts, logical conclusion.

This is why I try not to carry it any further than what I think they "will" understand.

WOW big ego. All us small people just are too slow to understand you…lol

There's also a verse in the bible that addresses this specifically, "Don't cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under foot and turn around and rend you to pieces." In other words you will never hear the end of it.

You know I know the bible better then you do, posting from that has not worked out for you.

You cast no pearls, we are not swine. All you offer is statements “ God is real” when challenged you retreat and call us inferior.

You can not answer as you have no answers.