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God's Omnipotence

Frisian, If your God is everywhere at the same time, and hell is the absence of (or separation from) your God, how can he be omnipotent?
 
And WHOSE contradictory premises are those? Did WE posit a being with "unlimited" abilities? No, because that's where the contradiction lies, which is what the argument illustrates.
 
HeyLeroy said:
Frisian, If your God is everywhere at the same time, and hell is the absence of (or separation from) your God, how can he be omnipotent?
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Yin and Yang dude! God is the singularity which encompasses the two opposites. And, since "He" is it, He has power over both.
 
Can energy push smoke through a keyhole with a fork? Herd cats through a forest?
How about answering the question I asked earlier:
If your God is everywhere at the same time, and hell is the absence of (or separation from) your God, how can he be omnipotent?
 
HeyLeroy said:
Can energy push smoke through a keyhole with a fork? Herd cats through a forest?
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If energy is the basis for eveything? Yes.

How about answering the question I asked earlier:
If your God is everywhere at the same time, and hell is the absence of (or separation from) your God, how can he be omnipotent?
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If, in fact God created hell, how would He not have power over it? ... albeit I'm sure most in hell are inclined to believe otherwise. But then again, it's simply a matter of what they choose to believe.
 
Iacchus said:
If energy is the basis for eveything? Yes.

If, in fact God created hell, how would He not have power over it? ... albeit I'm sure most in hell are inclined to believe otherwise. But then again, it's simply a matter of what they choose to believe.
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(waving hand frantically) I know! I know! Why don't we just ask all the people who've been in hell what they believe?

(And I mean literally in hell, not just in a conversation with Iacchus.)
 
Tricky said:
(waving hand frantically) I know! I know! Why don't we just ask all the people who've been in hell what they believe?
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Monsters from the id!

(And I mean literally in hell, not just in a conversation with Iacchus.)
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Exactly! Have done nothing but introduce you to the hell that's in your own mind. ;)
 
HeyLeroy said:
Are you saying that energy has some sort of will?
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Well, let me ask you this. Would you consider yourself to be form of energy in your dreams? If so, would you consider yourself (in your dreams) to have a will?
 
Iacchus said:
God is energy. Energy can do whatever it damn well pleases.
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No Iacchus, he just explained that it CAN'T DO ANYTHING ILLOGICAL!

You and 1inChrist go enjoy your Nonsense God of Learn-Nothing while the rest of us engage in rational discourse. We have better things to do than quote Forbidden Planet all day long.
 
c4ts said:
No Iacchus, he just explained that it CAN'T DO ANYTHING ILLOGICAL!

You and 1inChrist go enjoy your Nonsense God of Learn-Nothing while the rest of us engage in rational discourse. We have better things to do than quote Forbidden Planet all day long.
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Rational with respect to what? The truth? What is truth? Do you think the truth existed before the Universe began? If not, then what's the point in discussing it? The truth knows no bounds, even when "we" fabricate our little lies. ;)
 
I never said "rational," I said "not illogical." Do you see the word "rational" in that post? Run a search with you browser. Hit ctrl+F and search my post you quoted for the word "rational." Also, search it for where I said logic was subjective, because I didn't. Logic is not subjective, therefore it doesn't work "in relation to" anything. You didn't read the preceding argument, and you didn't understand my comment.

The truth DOES know bounds. Logic is one of those boundaries.
 
Iacchus said:
Monsters from the id!

Exactly! Have done nothing but introduce you to the hell that's in your own mind. ;)
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INEZ: Well, what are you waiting for? Do as you're told. What a lovely scene: coward Garcin holding baby-killer Estelle in his manly arms! Make your stakes, everyone. Will coward Garcin kiss the lady, or won't he dare? What's the betting? I'm watching you, everybody's watching, I'm a crowd all by myself. Do you hear the crowd? Do you hear them muttering, Garcin? "Coward!Coward!" ---that's what they're saying...It's no use trying to escape, I'll never let you go. What do you hope to get from her silly lips? Forgetfulness? But I shan't forget you, not I! "It's I you must convince." So come to me. I'm waiting. Come along, now...Look how obedient he is, like a well-trained dog who comes when his mistress calls. You can't hold him, and you never will.
GARCIN: Will night never come?
INEZ: Never.
GARCIN: You will always see me?
INEZ: Always.
GARCIN: This bronze. Yes, now's the moment; I'm looking at this thing on the mantelpiece, and I understand that I'm in hell. I tell you, everything's been thoughtout beforehand. They knew I'd stand at the fireplace stroking this thing of bronze, with all those eyes intent on me. Devouring me. What? Only two of you? I thought there were more; many more. So this is hell. I'd never have believed it. You remember all we were told about the torture-chambers, the fire and brimstone, the "burning marl." Old wives' tales!There's no need for red-hot pokers. HELL IS--OTHER PEOPLE!
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From "No Exit" by Jean-Paul Sartre

Bibliomancy is your friend....
 
c4ts said:
The truth DOES know bounds. Logic is one of those boundaries.
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Does logic define truth or, does truth define logic? The truth is what maintains the bounds, of logic and everything else.
 
Belz... said:
Actually, I can speak from experience, beign Belz... and all. There's a good portion of the 5th level of Hell that's closed off and reserved for Iacchus' own use, one day.
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Oh, is that you Beasely Bob! He he he ...
 
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