God without The Bible – Challenge to Theists

[Bram Kaandorp]

i'm done here.
i have no interest in discussing my beliefs or practices to be flayed for them.
while the discussion was civilized, it was cool.

i am the first to admit that personal religious beliefs and practices are not logic based.
but, such is the nature of religion.
i have already stated my uncertainty about the nature of god/gods.

The point was that the druids of today have nothing to do with the druids of yesteryear.

I mean no disrespect, I merely like to know why you call yourself a druid, when you can't compare yourself to any druids that ever lived, since they left no written word for you to follow.

If you want to call yourself a druid, then you'd better show that you are a druid, and not a romantic searching for a label (Like I was when I was interested in Wicca and witchcraft).

Modelling yourself after (or even just following the writing of) so-called druids from the 18th century makes you as much a druid as they were - Not at all.

 

[dafydd]

The point was that the druids of today have nothing to do with the druids of yesteryear.

I mean no disrespect, I merely like to know why you call yourself a druid, when you can't compare yourself to any druids that ever lived, since they left no written word for you to follow.

If you want to call yourself a druid, then you'd better show that you are a druid, and not a romantic searching for a label (Like I was when I was interested in Wicca and witchcraft).

Modelling yourself after (or even just following the writing of) so-called druids from the 18th century makes you as much a druid as they were - Not at all.

Lets just settle for Neo-Druid.

 

[RandFan]

I'm sorry. I apologize. We'll leave it there,if you like.

fair enough.

 

[bikerdruid]

The point was that the druids of today have nothing to do with the druids of yesteryear.

I mean no disrespect, I merely like to know why you call yourself a druid, when you can't compare yourself to any druids that ever lived, since they left no written word for you to follow.

If you want to call yourself a druid, then you'd better show that you are a druid, and not a romantic searching for a label (Like I was when I was interested in Wicca and witchcraft).

Modelling yourself after (or even just following the writing of) so-called druids from the 18th century makes you as much a druid as they were - Not at all.

just out of curiosity, why would it matter to you what we call ourselves, or what we believe?
if members of my order start knocking on your door and proselytizing, you can bitch all you wish and cast disparaging comments.
other than that, frankly, it should not matter to you at all.

personally, in my practice of druidry, i work with what i actually am, not what i am not.
whether i believe what the druids of my ancestors believe, is irrelevant.

 

[tsig]

i'm done here.
i have no interest in discussing my beliefs or practices to be flayed for them.
while the discussion was civilized, it was cool.

i am the first to admit that personal religious beliefs and practices are not logic based.
but, such is the nature of religion.
i have already stated my uncertainty about the nature of god/gods.

You bring up your beliefs and cry because they're not accepted.

 

[Bram Kaandorp]

Lets just settle for Neo-Druid.

Just like neo-pagan. I like it.

Now just hope they like it as well.

 

[tsig]

fair enough.
actually, i identify quite strongly with the 'greenman', the spirit of nature.
and on our farm, we honour 'epona' in her aspect as goddess of horses.
(we raise horses on our farm)

in all honesty, we do this, not so much due to a fervent belief in their actual existence, but because it pleases us to do so.

If you don't want your beliefs discussed it would be better not to post them.

 

[Bram Kaandorp]

just out of curiosity, why would it matter to you what we call ourselves, or what we believe?
if members of my order start knocking on your door and proselytizing, you can bitch all you wish and cast disparaging comments.
other than that, frankly, it should not matter to you at all.

personally, in my practice of druidry, i work with what i actually am, not what i am not.
whether i believe what the druids of my ancestors believe, is irrelevant.

Well, the subject of you being a druid came up, so we discussed the subject.

I am very much interested in the history of ancient cultures (although not all, I am biased that way), and knowing about the druids was what sparked my interest.

You can be as indignant as you like, but in the end, we just stated that you are not a druid of the old stamp, and that, since we know nothing of those ancient druids, it would be weird to call yourself a druid now.

It would be like me calling myself a druid, and then just filling it in with whatever I wanted to, not using anything from ancient times, but still thinking I was a real druid.

It would just be a charade.

 

[dafydd]

If you don't want your beliefs discussed it would be better not to post them.

I did go a bit too far,I have a sarcastic nature. I am not saying that bikerdruid is a fool. I just cannot suffer fools gladly.

 

[dafydd]

Well, the subject of you being a druid came up, so we discussed the subject.

I am very much interested in the history of ancient cultures (although not all, I am biased that way), and knowing about the druids was what sparked my interest.

You can be as indignant as you like, but in the end, we just stated that you are not a druid of the old stamp, and that, since we know nothing of those ancient druids, it would be weird to call yourself a druid now.

It would be like me calling myself a druid, and then just filling it in with whatever I wanted to, not using anything from ancient times, but still thinking I was a real druid.

It would just be a charade.

It would be like me starting an Eleusinian mystery sect based on the Greek one. We don't really know what they got up to so a lot of it would have to be guesswork.

 

[Bill Thompson]

Theists say people have existed for around 6000 years. For over 4000 of those years they would have had to have been aware of their God without the “benefit” of what is written in The Bible.

So here's my challenge to Theists . . .

Present your belief that a God exists without referring to The Bible in any way.

Easy sneezey.

The Universe is here which would otherwise be impossible.

The Universe is imperfect and uneven which would otherwise be impossible.

 

[bikerdruid]

Easy sneezey.

The Universe is here which would otherwise be impossible.

The Universe is imperfect and uneven which would otherwise be impossible.

how is the universe imperfect?
it is what it is, man.
your logic is faulty.
to claim that the universe is impossible without god, is illogical.
it is entirely dependent upon one's concept of god, or not.

 

[Bram Kaandorp]

Easy sneezey.

The Universe is here which would otherwise be impossible.

The Universe is imperfect and uneven which would otherwise be impossible.

The universe is imperfect, or so you claim.

God is perfect, or so texts claim.

Why would theists ever say that their God created an imperfect universe? You'd think that it would work against them.

 

[Leumas]

I think Myth Busters says it best

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=p9izVu_TtAE