God kills kids and dad

[Doctor X]

See, Tricky?

You made him look like a crying fool.

Granted, not exactly a labor of Heracles. . . .

--J.D.

 

[csense]

See, Tricky?
You made him look like a crying fool.

You mean because of this post:

csense: You're right, my belief in God and Jesus Christ has nothing to do with pride.


Tricky:(Sigh) Okay, csense. Heres the proof. You are commenting on the righteousness of your beliefs. That is moralizing, which is one of the synonyms for preaching. Happy?

Here's some news for you, I'm not commenting on the righteousness of my beliefs, he is, and not only is it demonstrable, but it is self evident.
I was making a statement of fact that had nothing to do with morality.

You know, for a critical thinking forum, some of you aren't very bright.

 

[csense]

I'm still waiting for you to support your claim debunker.

 

[Tricky]

Here's some news for you, I'm not commenting on the righteousness of my beliefs, he is, and not only is it demonstrable, but it is self evident.

"He" meaning me? What exactly is self evident? The only thing that is self evident to me is that you are very proud of your beliefs. Nothing wrong with that, but it makes your statement self contradictory, and it is moralizing (i.e. preaching), in that you are invoking the Christian sin of "pride" as something you do not do. I happen to think pride is a very good thing. I take pride in my work. I take pride in my music. If you don't take pride in things, you don't do them well. Your statement that you don't have pride is nothing more than a fawning bow to what Christianity calls "pride". I think the thing you call "pride" is what most of us call egocentricity. They are very different things.

I was making a statement of fact that had nothing to do with morality.

Not a statement of fact at all. You were pounding your chest and trying to demonstrate how humble you were. Sort of a contradiction, don't you think? ("I want the WORLD to know how humble I am!")

You know, for a critical thinking forum, some of you aren't very bright.

I'll consider the source on that comment. When are you going to learn to be creative in your insults? Listening to your flaming is like waiting for Walter Mitty to punch somebody's lights out.

 

[Badger]

That could be, but anyone with a nominal level of critical thinking skills might recognize that a thread that starts with the word "God" is going to be about religion.

I know you're not suggesting that God as a concept is not within the perview of Philosophy as a topic of discussion.



When trying to reason with Csense
His arguments don't seem to be sense
His fear of debating
Is quite irritating
All offence, and never a defense.

...and I've neither the time nor the inclination to discuss with children.

God as a concept...ok, lets break with the tedium and go with that.

I think god as a concept is created to fill a need that goes back to infantile, and childhood memories of parental care. Once one grows up, one still feels a need for the security that someone bigger and wiser is looking out for one, and will tuck one in, cozily in bed, for a long nights sleep, with the assurance that they will reawaken to a fresh new dawn.

And now, over to you, Csense.

 

[Blue Monk]

God as a concept...ok, lets break with the tedium and go with that.

I think god as a concept is created to fill a need that goes back to infantile, and childhood memories of parental care. Once one grows up, one still feels a need for the security that someone bigger and wiser is looking out for one, and will tuck one in, cozily in bed, for a long nights sleep, with the assurance that they will reawaken to a fresh new dawn.

And now, over to you, Csense.

I think that’s a very good point.

I also think there is another element.

People fear other people.

People fear, quite legitimately, that someone will come and steal their money, pinch their wife on the tush and throw the children on the Bar-B-Q.

I think a lot of the need to convert other people comes from people wanting to feel secure, the logic being that if one fears afterlife retribution they are more likely to behave and let you live in peace. We have all met believers that simply cannot conceive that one could not believe in God and be ethical and moral at the same time.

 

[Tricky]

I think god as a concept is created to fill a need that goes back to infantile, and childhood memories of parental care. Once one grows up, one still feels a need for the security that someone bigger and wiser is looking out for one, and will tuck one in, cozily in bed, for a long nights sleep, with the assurance that they will reawaken to a fresh new dawn.

Interesting, Badger. Jackson Browne said something similar...

Everybody's just waiting to hear from the one
Who can give them the answers,
To lead them back to that place in the warmth of the sun
Where sweet childhood still dances.
But Who'll come along
And hold out that strong
But gentle Father's hand?
Long ago I herd someone say something 'bout Everyman.
---- Jackson Browne
----For Everyman

 

[Blue Monk]

Badger totally ripped-off Jackson Browne.

 

[Badger]

I think that’s a very good point.

I also think there is another element.

People fear other people.

People fear, quite legitimately, that someone will come and steal their money, pinch their wife on the tush and throw the children on the Bar-B-Q.

I think a lot of the need to convert other people comes from people wanting to feel secure, the logic being that if one fears afterlife retribution they are more likely to behave and let you live in peace. We have all met believers that simply cannot conceive that one could not believe in God and be ethical and moral at the same time.

Good points!

I see inter-religous animosity as a "my daddy's bigger than your daddy" tribal kind of thing, but never considered the need to convert others to the believers religion.

Thanks for giving me something new to ponder!

Tricky, I'm sure there's many who've put it more eloquently than me before.

Blue Monk--- Snort, guffaw! Good one.

 

[Tricky]

Tricky, I'm sure there's many who've put it more eloquently than me before.

Blue Monk--- Snort, guffaw! Good one.

I only pointed out that great minds think alike. Unlike that pinkie sniffer, Blue Monk, I did not suggest your ripped off Jackson Browne . At least not until I hear your musical rendition.

 

[Badger]

I only pointed out that great minds think alike. Unlike that pinkie sniffer, Blue Monk, I did not suggest your ripped off Jackson Browne . At least not until I hear your musical rendition.

No worries there. I have no musical talent, so no redition is forthcoming.

 

[Doctor X]

We are rather bright enough not to continually contradict ourselves.

We can also insult better.

Tricky, may all the poisons the sun doth suck from bogs, fens, and flats fall upon thee, and make thee by inchmeal a disease.

BlueMonk, though art boy!

Badger, your mother was a hamster, and your father smelled of elderberries.

--J. "Now Go Away, or I will Taunt You a Second Time!" D.

 

[csense]

I think god as a concept is created to fill a need that goes back to infantile, and childhood memories of parental care. Once one grows up, one still feels a need for the security that someone bigger and wiser is looking out for one, and will tuck one in, cozily in bed, for a long nights sleep, with the assurance that they will reawaken to a fresh new dawn.

If belief is a need that goes back to infantile and childhood memories of parental care, then how does that explain you, or any Agnostic / Atheist. If you do not have this need to believe, then am I to surmise that you had no parental care when you were an infant?
But that can't be right since we all need such care, and without it, there would be consequences, which is an important part of the concept to need.
A plant needs sunlight, and unfulfillment of this need results in death for the plant. An infant needs care, and unfulfillment of this need also results in death. One could say that a drug addict needs their drugs, and unfulfillment of this need results in sickness, but unless death is also a consequence, then it would be debatable if it really rises to the definition of need.

This brings us to an interesting point in our discussion.
If belief in God is a need, then what are the unfulfilled consequences of this need...consequences that can not be overcome.

And finally, is belief in God a need, or is it a desire.

We know that there are people who once believed in God, but no longer do so...and if this belief were a need, then how is it they can overcome that which can not be overcome.
Conversely, if their belief in god were a desire, and since desires can be overcome, then would not this be a better explanation for things.

That said, the question is, why do people, such as yourself, have a desire to believe that Religion is a need.

 

[Doctor X]

Not all have the same needs.

Many do share them, however.

--J.D.

 

[csense]

We are rather bright enough not to continually contradict ourselves.

...and coincidentally, Im still waiting for you to suport your claim that I come to preach

 

[Doctor X]

If the dog would cease pleasuring himself and read the posts above--particularly his own--then he may just learn something.

He may learn not to contradict himself.

Most dogs can learn tricks. . . .

--J.D.

 

[csense]

...run Forest, run!



Maybe if you deny it long enough you'll actually start believineg your own words.

You're pathetic.

 

[Doctor X]

Must be an old dog. . .

. . . or a puppy who enjoys how he tastes.

Nevertheless, if individuals wish to contradict themselves, then wallow in denial when other posters point it out to them and eventually rub their faces in it, they are free to that error.

"Dog's got personality. Personality counts for a lot."

--Jules

--J.D.

 

[Badger]

We are rather bright enough not to continually contradict ourselves.

We can also insult better.

Tricky, may all the poisons the sun doth suck from bogs, fens, and flats fall upon thee, and make thee by inchmeal a disease.

BlueMonk, though art boy!

Badger, your mother was a hamster, and your father smelled of elderberries.

--J. "Now Go Away, or I will Taunt You a Second Time!" D.

Word to the wise.....Using a short stick to poke a badger doesn't usually end very well for the person doing the poking. (I'd engage you in a battle of wits, but I fear I'm unarmed)

 

[Doctor X]

Badger:

I have seen enough nature programs to see enough badgers kick the posteriors of various creatures up and down the forest!

However, together perhaps we can constitute a half wit?

--J. "If We Built a Large Wooden Badger" D.