God Kills Girl

juryjone said:
Thank you for replying; as I said it seems that too few people actually think about their faith and the logical consequences.

I'm having some trouble, though, seeing where you draw the line between what is a natural occurrence that God doesn't involve himself in and miracles where he does. If one person survives, it's not a miracle. If they all do, it is a miracle. What if all but one survives?

Believing that intercessory prayer works is problematic, IMO, because it's not obvious where natural occurrences end and the results of prayer start.
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Well sorry mate I could not give a good answer as to when God does or does not step in, due to the fact I do not know!

What I was trying to get at is I just do not see the logic in these overly religious folk using God as a justification for ALL of the good and bad things that happen, in the sense of saying if the girl had not gotten on the plane ad therefore lived is Gods work whilst the rest of the people were killed in a horrible way, that in my mind is satans work not Gods.
Because in order to say it is Gods work you would need to know how God thinks.

Or another way of putting it is in the Billy Conelly movie "The Man Who Sued God" in it his boat is destroyed in what his insurance company called an act of God because it was struck by lightning and refused to pay up, now dont get me wrong I understand the difference between real life and a movie.
But in the story his character was able to sue his insurance provider for using the act of God excuse by stating " In order to be able to determine an act of God you would have to know exactly how God acts and thinks which according to the Bible is impossible"

Sorry for the long post but that is the best way I could put across what I meant
 
cannotthinkofaname said:
Well I see your point but another way of looking at it is same God different faces, meaning that the way I see it is all the different religions are just different ways of viewing God. I hope you see what I mean
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I do see what you mean. The problem I have with that, is, if there are lots of gods, and if the followers of these gods are correct in their interpretation of what their god tells them, then a lot of these gods are claiming exclusivity. As in.." there is only one way into the kingdom of god, through Christ" ( not an exact quote)
If there is only one god, why multifaceted,why all the confusion? I'm sure you can see that if he/she came clean and gave out a general message to all that, he/she is the one and only, we would see a lot less conflict and a lot more co-operation and peace.
 
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Yeah fair point learner but then what I said about same God different faces is only a theory I have on tha subject of world religions, but then you have a very valid point there
 
It's kind of funny that fatass Yahweh can lord over humans, threatening them with torture and the fear of death, when He, Himself, doesn't need to fear those things at all.

Indeed, fear is a foreign concept to Him, something He invented to harass mortals with, praise be His good name.
 
cannotthinkofaname said:
Yeah fair point learner but then what I said about same God different faces is only a theory I have on tha subject of world religions, but then you have a very valid point there
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On my after dinner constipational walk last night, I pondered a bit about this..
What if all those people who go thru the meditation/privation/epiphany experience ARE tuning into the "message", and it's the -same- message, varying only with the cultural viewpoint of the epiphaner?
Ya know, "Do unto others.." and such which are pretty much universal.
That would be cool.
But then, when the superstructure of the need to disseminate these epiphanies has to be erected; yelling at the passers-by from the street corner, setting up the store-front church, getting the donations... the message seems to detereorate in little more than "My god is red hot, your god is doodly squat! And I can kill you".
But as this detereoration occurs very soon after the epiphany, it's easier to ascribe the epiphany to a defect in the mind at best, any supernatural source need not be invoked.
 
I Ratant said:
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But then, when the superstructure of the need to disseminate these epiphanies has to be erected; yelling at the passers-by from the street corner, setting up the store-front church, getting the donations... the message seems to detereorate in little more than "My god is red hot, your god is doodly squat! And I can kill you".
But as this detereoration occurs very soon after the epiphany, it's easier to ascribe the epiphany to a defect in the mind at best, any supernatural source need not be invoked.
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I understand where your going with the first bit but not sure what you mean with this bit I guoted, I have an idea of you mean but could you clarify before I give a deffinate answer
 
Were I Supreme, I'd take pains to see that these seekers of light would see the same light, and be guided away from the path of antagonism towards other views.
Presuming of course there is that single "message" available to those who seek it.
What we see is these guys go out in the desert, up on the mountain, whatever, and come back with -the-truth .
The result is that my "truth" is at odds with your "truth" because of our mutual cultural differences.
And somehow, both truths empower each of us to enforce ours on yours.
To the death, if necessary. Yours, preferably.
This is pretty obviously -not- something revealed by anything "beyond human", but merely the result of the mental processes breaking down during the privation period, with the bizarre random firings in the supplicants brain due to the lack of sustenance being rationalized as the supplicant were into direct contact with It.
This gives the newbie possessor of the truth something to bolster his fervor, so he treks back to town, and starts preaching.
Today's version of these guys are frequently seen on the street corners, yelling at the passing cars, or on the electric tv box, promising forgiveness and eternal life.
Donations gratefully accepted.
 
bokonon said:
This is really no different than standard optimism, except for the insertion of magical sky daddy beliefs. Many of us who don't believe in God do the same thing -- "I was lucky, it could have been worse," because dwelling on the negative is a good way to slip into depression, indecision, paralysis, and death. I suspect our ancestors who did so didn't reproduce as much as those who chose to "Always look on the bright side of life," so here we are.
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Kudos, bokonon. I like and agree with your wording re: standard optimism...

There is a difference when sky daddy believers make decisions based upon a belief that the sky daddy is going to take care of things for them, or that sky daddy is telling them to do or not do something, etc. But, perhaps that is another topic for another thread.

I suffered that sky daddy affliction for several years. Then cognitive dissonance came 'a knockin' and I researched every recorded religion I could get my hands on. Then I had a meltdown. And, now I am feeling groovy and mentally healthy. :cool:
 
Now I see what you meant mate, well like you said cultural difference's kick in about there.
But then what may be the truth to one person may be a complete load of bs to another but then what I said about religions is a teory nothing more
 
When I left religion, it was with the thought that all of them can't be right. There's just too many differences between those "ineffable" truths for all of them to be the real one, and no reason to consider that any of them are the real one, when the cultural biases can be so obvious.
Eff them all.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
That's the second way of justifying it... it could always be worse.

Not hurt: Thank God I didn't get hurt in that car crash! Must've been the Lord protecting me!
Light injury: An SUV hit me, totaled by car and broke my leg. Thank God for watching over me so I didn't get seriously hurt!
Serious injury: OK, so my back got broken when my car got rammed by that other vehicle, but so what? At least I'm not dead! What would the world do without God?
Fatality: That could've been so much worse! What if a car full of people had been hit? Or... holy me, imagine a pile-up! Thank God He's watching over us and made the accident happen on a quiet day!
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You missed one...

Fatality: He/she died so that someone else could learn a lesson from god. Thank god they died so Bob could be led to Christ and learn to be a better person.
 
I Ratant said:
When I left religion, it was with the thought that all of them can't be right. There's just too many differences between those "ineffable" truths for all of them to be the real one, and no reason to consider that any of them are the real one, when the cultural biases can be so obvious.
Eff them all.
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I see your point there mate thats why I think it is pathetic when people fight over religious belief personally I take the stance of what I believe is the truth to me but then Iam the first to admit I could be wrong
 
Please forgive if I seem like Im trying to preach here but I thought this following question fits into this thread but Im wondering as one of obviously few believers on this I wanted to know what would every one else here would consider as being a miracle and or an act of God?
 
Safe-Keeper said:
That's the second way of justifying it... it could always be worse.

Not hurt: Thank God I didn't get hurt in that car crash! Must've been the Lord protecting me!
Light injury: An SUV hit me, totaled by car and broke my leg. Thank God for watching over me so I didn't get seriously hurt!
Serious injury: OK, so my back got broken when my car got rammed by that other vehicle, but so what? At least I'm not dead! What would the world do without God?
Fatality: That could've been so much worse! What if a car full of people had been hit? Or... holy me, imagine a pile-up! Thank God He's watching over us and made the accident happen on a quiet day!
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My favorite: He did it for the lulz.
 
cannotthinkofaname said:
Well I see your point but another way of looking at it is same God different faces, meaning that the way I see it is all the different religions are just different ways of viewing God. I hope you see what I mean
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Right. God loves watching his stupid children killing each other over the belief their god is better than everyone else's. Great joke on the stupid humans.

:rolleyes:
 
bokonon said:
This is really no different than standard optimism, except for the insertion of magical sky daddy beliefs. Many of us who don't believe in God do the same thing -- "I was lucky, it could have been worse," because dwelling on the negative is a good way to slip into depression, indecision, paralysis, and death. I suspect our ancestors who did so didn't reproduce as much as those who chose to "Always look on the bright side of life," so here we are...
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It does help when something bad happens to compare your tragedy to a worse one. It has a way of making your problems seem less. Same is true when I feel poor. I just compare my wealth to someone poorer and voila, I'm rich!
 
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