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A weekly newspaper that is published where I live includes a column entitled Ask the Everyday Scientist, in which an MIT educated physicist answers questions submitted by readers. This week's column is entitled Solar Effects on Climate, and the submitted question runs as follows:

Q. Could you explain how the events listed here affect climate change?: distance between the Earth and the moon (which I believe is increasing); solar activity; and the magnetic field of the Earth (which I believe is in a constant state of flux).

Before proceeding, I should point out that the question was not submitted by me, and also that the author of the column is a skeptic with regards to climate change due to human activity, as evidenced by answers given to climate change questions in previous columns (I do not share the author's skepticism, by the way). With that out of the way, I'd appreciate it if someone here could give me a "second opinion" on some of the claims put forth in the column.

After briefly explaining that the Earth/moon distance will not have an effect on climate, the author proceeds to the subject of solar activity. The gist of his argument goes like this. Cosmic rays ionize molecules when they enter the Earth's atmosphere, and "these ions become nucleation sites around which water molecules accumulate and form tiny droplets, which are the beginnings of clouds." Solar flares create magnetic fields in space, which act, in the author's words, as "scattering centers", causing the cosmic rays to lose energy, thus causing less ionization if they later enter the atmosphere and hence, fewer clouds. So basically, the argument is that ionization of molecules in the air and subsequent cloud formation is inversely proportional to solar activity. The author continues:

But since more cosmic rays make more clouds which reflect away incoming sunlight, you might expect the climate to cool under such conditions. There is evidence that this actually happened. Three centuries ago, the coolest part of the "Little Ice Age" coincided with a time known as the "Maunder Minimum", when there was a minimum number of sunspots over several years.

Thus, solar activity has an indirect but very important effect upon the Earth's climate.


The author continues by saying that we don't hear about all this in the climate-change debates because it's "too complicated", and that reporters aren't going to "go into details". He asserts that current knowledge about climate isn't good enough to "attach numerical values to any of the climate change mechanisms and say 'this one is most important'", and that "computer models totally ignore solar activity, and are nowhere near able to include all the natural factors that affect climate."

In the concluding paragraph, the author laments that "far too much attention has been given to human influences on climate" and winds up by saying, "It's comparatively easy to discuss one factor that we might have something to do with, while ignoring things we can't do anything about. Reality is far more complex. Variations in ocean currents, solar activity, etc., will continue to change the climate erratically in future years, centuries and eons."


Yes, friends, we have a climate-change denier using a newspaper column as a bully pulpit. :mad:

If someone would take the time to post an informed rebuttal to the claims outlined above, I'd really appreciate it.
 
A weekly newspaper that is published where I live includes a column entitled Ask the Everyday Scientist, in which an MIT educated physicist answers questions submitted by readers. This week's column is entitled Solar Effects on Climate, and the submitted question runs as follows:
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Others have provided you with some extremely good links, I will be happy to provide more if you require them, I'd be interested in the name of this MIT physicist.
 
Amazingly, typing in the google search "Ask the Everyday Scientist," all that comes back are comments and discussion about two specific apparent articles that the Denialist machine periodically resurrects and spreads about and a few instances where various groups have soundly refuted and demonstrated the errors and flaws in the articles. Its rather hard to tell if there are really two seperate articles or just one which is distorted in the retelling. No links to the original articles are ever given, and I can't track down the syndicated column story (or for that matter a syndicated column by that name period). As for the authors, one is apparently a materials engineer and unassociated with MIT and the other apparently claims to have went to school for a while at MIT but he has never been employed by MIT as far as I can tell. This story is difficult to track down, did you actually read the story in the paper yourself, or merely read about the story somewhere else?

Having failed to find any syndicated newspaper column, I expanded my search and did find a blog called "Ask the Everyday Scientist" but it doesn't list Dr. Thomas P. Sheahen as ever having written for them or to them, so I have to wonder what is going on?
 
In spite all the hot air from the denier apparatchiks, or perhaps because of it, the planet has had the warmest first half-year on record. So, they can try to deflect attention to some out-of-context emails from frustrated stalking victims, but AGW isn't going to politely go away because of that;

It was always going to arrive at something like this because reality obeys the laws of physics. Laws which condemn the denial enterprise to failure in a finite time.

I'm on record as saying that the 2000's will be remembered as the Golden Decade by denialists, with the El Nino in '98 and the La Nina in 2008. There's nothing remarkable in such a decade, its well within expected variation given the noise in the system, but the denialists inevitably nailed themselves to it. Some are on record as saying we're already in a natural cooling phase (a record I'm glad I don't have to bear).

Then a snowy winter in the Eastern US, and Inhofe's igloo, a trap could not be baited better. And they threw themselves into it.

They have a new book out, revisiting Mann et al '98 in light of the CRU hack. That's what they've got. Sad, isn't it? And terribly amusing :).
 
The only charge that can be made to stick at all is that a few scientists, faced with an attempt to disrupt their important work by abusing well-meaning legislation in the service of a political agenda, responded by being deliberately obstructive. Looks like scientists are human, hold the front page.

We should give some thought to the situation UEA found itself in when McIntyre's FoI campaign kicked off. On the one hand (McIntyre et al) you have a slick campaign with its genesis in PR, and on the other (UEA) you have an institution where the PR department produces glossy brochures to attract applicants. No doubt they had the Data Protection Act well in hand but I doubt FoI had ever occurred to them. When it came up it was probably bounced back to the Data Protection Officer. When the CRU hack story broke they were completely blown away.

When it comes to normal adademic intercourse UEA is second to none, but that's not where the assault was coming from, nor the arena it would be fought in.

It's certainly a shame that they allowed themselves to be goaded into such behaviour, it was unprofessional, but it's not grounds to sack them, so Jones' re-instatement is perfectly justified.

The stolen emails reveal words, not behaviour, and we've used harsher words on this very public Forum, let's face it.

No claims of actual misbehaviour have stood up to investigation.

I for one am delighted that he is now back doing the vital work for which he is eminently qualified, and I know there are plenty of people who agree with me.

Indeed, and I doubt UEA would make the same mistake again. They were completely unprepared before, but you can bet they'll be prepared next time.

Incidentally I liked the way this latest enquiry established just how vexatious most of the FoI requests were. I notice your blogger doesn't mention this bit:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/science_and_environment/10538198.stm

And, of course, real enquiry was never anything to do with it. McIntyre (who's been losing ground to Watts and Monckton in the enterprise) first spotted the FoI potential. Issue an FoI request, even for data you already have, and you imply that it was necessary. McIntyre is all about implication, very rarely the barefaced lie.

It must have been galling for him too see Monckton (who lives by the barefaced lie) and Watts (who's a moron) eclipse him for a while, but he's gaining ground in the coverage.
 
BenBurch and TShaitanaku, thank you both for the responses. Ben, I'll be carefully reading the material you linked to as soon as I get the chance. It's possible that I might have to ask a few follow-up questions within the next few days to make sure I'm understanding the material correctly.

TShaitanaku, I believe the full name of the physicist in question is indeed Dr. Thomas P. Sheahen. The blurb at the end of the column reads, "Dr. Sheahen is a physicist who was educated at MIT. He lives at Deep Creek Lake and has taught physics at Garrett College (formerly Garrett Community College - Mel). Persons wishing to e-mail questions to this column ... etc."

The newspaper this column appears in is The Republican, which is published on Thursdays and is is sold in the Garrett County, Maryland area. The newspaper's website is here. Unfortunately, there appears to be a $9.95 yearly fee to have access to the online version of the paper. To the best of my knowledge, Ask the Everyday Scientist is not a syndicated column and does not appear in other publications.

Once again, thanks to both of you for the help. I appreciate it.
 
The newspaper this column appears in is The Republican, which is published on Thursdays and is is sold in the Garrett County, Maryland area. The newspaper's website is here. Unfortunately, there appears to be a $9.95 yearly fee to have access to the online version of the paper. To the best of my knowledge, Ask the Everyday Scientist is not a syndicated column and does not appear in other publications.

Once again, thanks to both of you for the help. I appreciate it.

Well, that did help a bit, I guess, but when I go their article archive site (http://www.newslibrary.com/sites/un/), the article you named doesn't exist or at least isn't in their archive, which probably isn't unusual for what looks like a regional, specialty newspaper with limited circulation. Dr. Sheahen is a rather well known denialist over the last half decade, so if the paper is giving him printspace it rather trumpets its own disdain for journalistic integrity and factual reporting. I wouldn't call it a "bully pulpit" so much as a rather localized billboard soapbox.

If you feel compelled to write a response to the piece I'm sure we can help you get the basic facts and supporting references right, but I seriously doubt you are going to make much of an impression upon this "scientist" or the rag carrying his scatterings.
 
No claims of actual misbehavior have stood up to investigation.

"In a statement, the deputy information commissioner Graham Smith said emails between scientists at the university's Climatic Research Unit (CRU) that were hacked and placed on the internet in November revealed that FOI requests were 'not dealt with as they should have been under the legislation'. Some of the hacked emails reveal scientists encouraging their colleagues to delete emails, apparently to prevent them from being revealed to people making FOI requests. Such a breach of the act could carry an unlimited fine, but Smith said no action could be taken against the university because the specific request they had looked at happened in May 2008, well outside the six-month limit for such prosecutions under the act."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jan/27/uea-hacked-climate-emails-foi
 

so,...as Capel said;"No claims of actual misbehavior have stood up to investigation." ...at least not any criminal or legally liable qualifications of misbehavior. Though I have to wonder about whether Mr Smith's statements in this article excerpt are relevently based upon thorough investigation results, or whether these were initial comments based solely upon an initial read through of the emails and the presumption that some issues mentioned were actually acted upon.

Overall, this Guardian article was almost slanderous in its distortions and incendiary tone, certainly more editorial than objective. On this, as in an increasing number of issues, the accuracy, objectivity and legitimacy of Guardian reporting is seriously lacking.
 
Of course it begs the question what else they got away with. It's a brazen attempt at covering up information they feel compromises their position. But, since the statute of limitations has expired that exonerates them... or something.:rolleyes:

Baloney. It's the opinion of one guy in one department based on his reading of selective emails, that is meaningless. And even if you think that it is OK to harass scientists with frivolous FOIA requests in order to tie up their time and prevent them from doing actual science, the fault lay with East Anglia's administration and lack of procedures for dealing with requests for information, particularly when part of an organised campaign of harassment and intimidation.
 
Updated Arctic Sea Ice loss pages at NOAA (exact date?)

While I was going through some of the great links in Macdoc's sig line

http://www.macmagic.ca/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=45753#Post45753

I stumbled across a nice explanation of why the US can expect to experience severe winters, especially in the eastern states. I think the graphs and illustrations may be helpful in countering the climate change denial associated with the colder winters occurring in the US.

From
http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/future/impacts.html

"This dome of warm air and elevated atmospheric pressure surfaces over the pole changes the Arctic atmospheric wind patterns, allowing outbreaks of cold Arctic air to the south."

also
"United States has more severe winter storms

Preliminary results from numerical computer simulations indicate that the significant cold anomalies over the eastern US in winter are associated with the decrease of the Arctic sea-ice cover in the preceding summer-to-autumn seasons (Figure 4, right).2

Although there is considerable year to year variability, as summer Arctic open water area increases over the next decades, an increasing influence of loss of summer sea ice on northern hemisphere wind patters can be anticipated, with resultant impacts on northern hemisphere weather"

All this from the "Future of Arctic Sea Ice and Global Impacts"
http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/future/
 
The Bogus Climate Scare "Science" Bandwagon rolls on

40% less plankton in oceans because of global warming...apparantly

The dead sea: Global warming blamed for 40 per cent decline in the ocean's phytoplankton

Microscopic life crucial to the marine food chain is dying out. The consequences could be catastrophic

By Steve Connor, Science Editor

Thursday, 29 July 2010
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Of course not so long ago scientists were saying global warming was causing massive algal blooms

http://www.canada.com/victoriatimes...=a9aeac29-fbcb-46dd-96ca-839e09353435&k=86257

All I know is we are all doomed.
 
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A good response from lomiller for a change, he makes 3 points - only two of which are incorrect and the third is actually in my original post.

Umm
1) algae isn't phytoplankton
All phytoplankton are algae, not all algae are phytoplankton
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoplankton
2) algae blooms have been attributed to agricultural fertilizer running off farmland and ending up in oceans and lakes, not global warming
algae blooms have been around long before agricultural fertilizers. Warming alarmists have previously stated that global warming will lead to increased algal blooms - as demonstrated by the link I provided

3) the article you are quoting is simply reporting on an article in the journal nature. The abstract can be found here
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v466/n7306/full/466569a.html
Well yes, may be the article I quote stating
The study, published in the journal Nature
did sort of let the cat of the bag.
There are many other previously published studies saying the exact opposite.

It doesnt matter which direction the response is, so long as it is extreme, unheard of, catastrophic and most importantly of all.....
....we are all doomed
 
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