Merged Global Warming Discussion II: Heated Conversation

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Arnold Martin said:
Not at all sir .... and by the way part of the title of this thread is ... "heated Conversation" ... and all I am trying to do is cool it down a bit ..... but I plead guilty to having a blend of tongue in cheek while being completely serious.

We could bury ourselves in back and forth statistics from both sides (and I am capable) but I have reverted to simple brutal truths that undermine the Warming agenda.

I have been a member of this forum for a year but just began posting yesterday

My motive is thus .... I am on Hudson Bay solid Ice watching Polar bears eat seals earlier in the season than normal.

..... Ice that is not supposed to be there (according to the warmists) and bears who were all going to drown (according to the warmists)

Why do CNN & CBC & The Sierra Club not plaster that all over the news (as good news)

Because they continue to deny that the deniers were correct and they want to save themselves the embarrassment

And speaking of embarrassment , notice how a majority of the "Important Warmists" from days gone by have gone silent because the weather did not cooperate with what they prophesied ??

I urge everyone here not to set themselves up for further embarrassment .

It is not a bad thing to admit you have been suckered. Besides you can blame it on the 3 tactics of a brainwash that was used to start this whole effort to control world energy (by controlling the worlds exhaust pipes)
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lionking said:
Examples please.
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I thought that what Louisiana Congressman Stiles did to Al Gore during some 2010 Congressional hearings was a bit rotten as far as an anti-AGW argument is concerned. I mean, I thought Stile's tactic of trying to link Gore to Enron's Ken Lay was a bit low...maybe a lot low. However, the tactic seemed to work just fine for a lot of people.
 
macdoc said:
I do hope our helicopter pilot is getting well paid for his soap boxing on behalf of Koch and Co.
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I have indeed been well paid in my career , but I assure you I am an individual entrepreneur businessman and have been self sustained since 1966 when I quit school in grade 9.

I have never been beholden to Koch nor any energy company. As a matter of fact I have often been hired by environmentalists and news crews to do aerial videos and flights to location ... and I am beholden to them .... they always make me sign a non-disclosure and I always honor it ..... otherwise I could tell you things that would make your knees tremble.

Below I have made a coded prediction that we will re-visit a bit later.

ANAHAM-THPOHG9EATURN-AHAIKI
 
lionking said:
Did you miss my earlier post that Australia has just experienced it's hottest year ever?
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No I did not miss your post (thank you) .... as a matter of fact I have 2 pilot friends who are on their way to OZ right now for XMAS and they will give me the details

By the way did you miss the earlier news this year saying Australia has employed much wisdom and is distancing themselves from the IPCC attempt to control them ?

'Ya have to get up really early in the morning if you are going to try sucker an Australian Man. Hardly ever works. They are some of my favorite people.

The pilots are impossible to convert. They are too practical and realistic.

Good on ya 'mate
 
Arnold Martin said:
No I did not miss your post (thank you) .... as a matter of fact I have 2 pilot friends who are on their way to OZ right now for XMAS and they will give me the details

By the way did you miss the earlier news this year saying Australia has employed much wisdom and is distancing themselves from the IPCC attempt to control them ?

'Ya have to get up really early in the morning if you are going to try sucker an Australian Man. Hardly ever works. They are some of my favorite people.

The pilots are impossible to convert. They are too practical and realistic.

Good on ya 'mate
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The current government is populated by deniers like you. When faced with the earliest bushfires of the year (in spring) and the hottest year ever, our disgrace of a PM, Tony Abbott can only come up with "the weather's variable".

No, don't congratulate me. I didn't vote for the idiot.
 
Jules Galen said:
Hey...this looks like an ad Hominem attack.

You sure you want to go there?
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I can handle it my friend .... as a matter of fact I am one who does not mind debating with occasional personal jabs

After all , everything we believe or disbelieve is personal at some point so it is not completely out of line employ occasional ad hominem.

And just to clarify .... it is not my intention to personalty insult anyone here ..... rather I wish to insult the people who are responsible for starting the Global Warming untruths , their lack of full disclosure has harmed the objectivity of responsible science.

Best wishes
 
Arnold Martin said:
I can handle it my friend .... as a matter of fact I am one who does not mind debating with occasional personal jabs

After all , everything we believe or disbelieve is personal at some point so it is not completely out of line employ occasional ad hominem.

And just to clarify .... it is not my intention to personalty insult anyone here ..... rather I wish to insult the people who are responsible for starting the Global Warming untruths , their lack of full disclosure has harmed the objectivity of responsible science.

Best wishes
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Since we are being honest, I will admit there have been people on all sides of the debate who seek to distort the science for their own political ends. However, this is the Science forum, so I would prefer to discuss science here. I suggest political motivations can be discussed in the Politics forum.
 
lionking said:
The current government is populated by deniers like you....
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There's that word again - "Denier"!

Of course, I have also been called a "Denier" - even though I believe that Global Warming has taken place. However, if I insist someone prove that man is responsible fo the majority of this warming, then I am labled a "Denier" - as if I were some sort of Holocaust Denier or some such ilk.

Do you really think that is right?
 
Sceptic-PK said:
I don't recall any attempts by the IPCC to control us?
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At first glance that would sound correct.

However , stop and think carefully for a minute , if an organization could control the exhaust pipes and smokestacks of the world they would by default have control over all the energy producers and prosperous free countries including the people within those countries.

Their hearts desire is to run the world their way and the enemy (to them) has always been "Big Oil Companies ... "Big Corporations" ... "Prosperous & free Countries"

Best way to do it is control the tailpipe of the world and convince everybody it will save the planet.

That is the plan , dont kid yourselves , this is a factual thing I am saying and it comes from deep within the UN itself. Control is the motive. It has absolutely nothing to do with the weather. Never has. The upswing in temps from 1970's to 1998 was just a convenient vehicle to hitch a ride on.
 
Arnold Martin said:
At first glance that would sound correct.

However , stop and think carefully for a minute , if an organization could control the exhaust pipes and smokestacks of the world they would by default have control over all the energy producers and prosperous free countries including the people within those countries.

Their hearts desire is to run the world their way and the enemy (to them) has always been "Big Oil Companies ... "Big Corporations" ... "Prosperous & free Countries"

Best way to do it is control the tailpipe of the world and convince everybody it will save the planet.

That is the plan , dont kid yourselves , this is a factual thing I am saying and it comes from deep within the UN itself. Control is the motive. It has absolutely nothing to do with the weather. Never has. The upswing in temps from 1970's to 1998 was just a convenient vehicle to hitch a ride on.
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This is just a crazy conspiracy theory.
 
Sceptic-PK said:
Sure do. "Denier" refers to tactics. It isn't a comparison to the Holocaust. There are many forms of denial. Yours just relates to AGW.
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What exactly are you saying that I have denied?

Have I denied Global Warming? No...I haven't.

Have I denied AGW? No...I haven't. But I will not affirm it either until we have more evidence.

Thus...I have denied nothing.
 
Arnold Martin said:
At first glance that would sound correct.

However , stop and think carefully for a minute , if an organization could control the exhaust pipes and smokestacks of the world they would by default have control over all the energy producers and prosperous free countries including the people within those countries.

Their hearts desire is to run the world their way and the enemy (to them) has always been "Big Oil Companies ... "Big Corporations" ... "Prosperous & free Countries"

Best way to do it is control the tailpipe of the world and convince everybody it will save the planet.

That is the plan , dont kid yourselves , this is a factual thing I am saying and it comes from deep within the UN itself. Control is the motive. It has absolutely nothing to do with the weather. Never has. The upswing in temps from 1970's to 1998 was just a convenient vehicle to hitch a ride on.
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Uh-huh. *walks away slowly*
 
Arnold Martin said:
At first glance that would sound correct.

However , stop and think carefully for a minute , if an organization could control the exhaust pipes and smokestacks of the world they would by default have control over all the energy producers and prosperous free countries including the people within those countries.

Their hearts desire is to run the world their way and the enemy (to them) has always been "Big Oil Companies ... "Big Corporations" ... "Prosperous & free Countries"

Best way to do it is control the tailpipe of the world and convince everybody it will save the planet.

That is the plan , dont kid yourselves , this is a factual thing I am saying and it comes from deep within the UN itself. Control is the motive. It has absolutely nothing to do with the weather. Never has. The upswing in temps from 1970's to 1998 was just a convenient vehicle to hitch a ride on.
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I have serious doubt that there is a UN Conspiracy in the works, but I do think that a lot of Major Corporations would love to hitch a ride on the AGW Bandwagon. I mean, an Investment Bank making a substantial market in carbon Credits would control many of the world's largest corporations - and they could choose winners and loosers at will. Likewise, a large refining company could effectively shut-out it's smaller competition by out-bidding them for carbon Credits and then pass that cost on to the customer.

Thus...the max amount of carbon that any corporation could produce would only be effectively limited by the cash flow they could get the Investment Banks to front them. However, the consumer would ultimately pay the bill.
 
ideogram said:
Since we are being honest, I will admit there have been people on all sides of the debate who seek to distort the science for their own political ends. However, this is the Science forum, so I would prefer to discuss science here. I suggest political motivations can be discussed in the Politics forum.
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Fair enough , and I completely agree both sides have managed to muddy the waters of respectable science .

But the problem does not lie with me , it is both the politicians and (some) scientists who have blended the two

Do you not agree that scientists who do not endorse AGW have been muzzled and called heretics and deniers ? Since when did science become so politically one sided ? . This troubles me greatly

From now on I will try to avoid the political comments , besides I feel I have given it a good kick anyway

But I will also stand my ground and claim my science and observations are exactly what goes on in the arctic in the past 8 years and it is completely at odds with AGW "scientific predictions"

They started it , not me.

Best wishes from the frozen arctic .... where we actually wish Global warming was happening .

And dont worry about the Polar Bears .... they sometimes swim to Russia just for the heck of it.
 
Jules Galen said:
I have serious doubt that there is a UN Conspiracy in the works, but I do think that a lot of Major Corporations would love to hitch a ride on the AGW Bandwagon. I mean, an Investment Bank making a substantial market in carbon Credits would control many of the world's largest corporations - and they could choose winners and loosers at will. Likewise, a large refining company could effectively shut-out it's smaller competition by out-bidding them for carbon Credits and then pass that cost on to the customer.

Thus...the max amount of carbon that any corporation could produce would only be effectively limited by the cash flow they could get the Investment Banks to front them. However, the consumer would ultimately pay the bill.
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This is still not science. But a lot of Major Corporations love doing business as usual, so they are spending a lot of money to spread doubt. It's the same as the argument over tobacco, even some of the same players.
 
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