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Global "cooling"... debunked?

AA
I can understand how there will be rains in different places but I don't understand this..... If the globe is warming, the ice caps are melting etc how is it possible to get colder? After all, isn't the heat "trapped" due to the greenhouse effect?
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:rolleyes:

Try looking up Arctic dipole.

Continental highs are trapped over both northern continents with warmer temps in the high Arctic.
A trapped high gets colder and colder as there ain't no sun this time of year.

It has nothing to due with net energy gain or radiative imbalance.
The Arctic ocean staying warmer longer and far more open ( very little ice in some areas ) is altering WEATHER patterns.
Means nothing regarding AGW other than it's part of change and the dipole pattern has occurred before.

So continental interiors are damned cold in the northern hemisphere.
It's the oceans that count.

Interesting combo with higher atmospheric moisture content.

Increased energy does not always or even often show up as temperature - there are many transforms even within one of those fluffy white cu's - a bit of climate science in the reading list never hurts when trying to participate in a science forum thread on climate.....
Matt's poke at the weather wonkies denier mantra '" look ma it's cold" is well placed....:garfield:
 
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A.A.Alfie said:
I can understand how there will be rains in different places but I don't understand this..... If the globe is warming, the ice caps are melting etc how is it possible to get colder?
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There are many regions whose climate is strongly influenced by prevailing winds and/or ocean currents. If those winds/currents change direction or strength those regions may well experience localised cooling which more than offsets the general warming. The possible effects on certain areas of a change in the Gulf Stream is the usual example given, though AIUI that particular change is not considered particularly likely.
 
mythstifieD said:
But, the other day, I clearly saw a news article about how they're rationing their salt in the UK because of the unprecedented cold snap. Mr. Brown is clearly telling everyone that they should not panic, because they have enough salt.

Clearly, that happens every year?
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Well, it happened last year, so it's not exactly that uncommon. When it comes down to it, the UK really isn't a good place to judge climate patterns. How on Earth would we know if conditions were more extreme? The entire country grinds to a halt if there are a few leaves on the floor, let alone if any actual weather turns up.:)
 
Cuddles said:
Well, it happened last year, so it's not exactly that uncommon. When it comes down to it, the UK really isn't a good place to judge climate patterns. How on Earth would we know if conditions were more extreme? The entire country grinds to a halt if there are a few leaves on the floor, let alone if any actual weather turns up.:)
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Makes you wonder how they got through The Blitz...
 
It's 34 degrees F here north of Chicago, and the ice is melting off my roof as I type this...

Where are the "coolers" now? :)
 
Just out of curiosity, how many 'coolers' are there on this forum?

It seems you guys are asking for respondants that we just don't have.
 
Who is Dr Inferno and why is he relevant to this forum?

Again, I ask - how many coolers do we have at JREF?
 
A.A.Alfie said:
Who is Dr Inferno and why is he relevant to this forum?

Again, I ask - how many coolers do we have at JREF?
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Well, right off the top of my head (without doing any digging) there's mhaze, kallsop, and Poptech. Those, if I recall correctly, seem to have been the primary agents in pushing the GC nonsense here in the last few months. So that's at least three big ones, but I'm pretty sure that if I took the time to dig around I'd find many more who jumped on the bandwagon to some degree or another.

Can anyone point to any other recent GC "converts" here at JREF?

Besides, AAA, your point is a bit misplaced, methinks. I say that because whether or not there are any coolers here (which there are), what isn't deniable is that those who've been trying to muddle the climate science on AGW in the wider populace lately have taken this argument to the most ludicrous extreme in the last few months. My parody is meant partly as fun but also as a way of pointing out the stupidity of their arguments.

ETA: Btw, I woke up and it's 32 degrees already... north of Chicago in the upper Midwest... IN THE MIDDLE OF JANUARY!!! :jaw-dropp
 
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I think it is Landover. But Poe is staring over one's shoulder.

Read the Horror Fish one. It's great.
 
A.A.Alfie said:
Who is Dr Inferno and why is he relevant to this forum?
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He's an innovative researcher with a refreshingly skeptical approach to all science:
I believe that one day all science will be done on blogs because we bloggers are natural skeptics, disbelieving the mainstream and accepting the possibility of any alternative idea.

We stand unimpressed by "textbooks", "peer review journals" and so-called "facts". There are no facts, just dissenting opinion. We are infinitely small compared to nature and can't grasp anything as certain as a fact.

Nothing is settled and we should question everything. The debate is NOT over Gore! When so-called "experts" in their "peer reviewed journals" say one thing, we dare the impossible and find imaginative ways to believe something else entirely.
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As for Landover Baptist Church, I think it has something to do with religion, and nothing to do with science. In any case, it's none of my business where Dr Inferno attends church.
 
Can we please cut out this conflation of weather and climate? It is either sheer stupidity and ignorance (a la Fox News) or blatant intellectual dishonesty about what "climate change" entails (also a la Fox News).
 
W.D.Clinger said:
He's an innovative researcher with a refreshingly skeptical approach to all science:

As for Landover Baptist Church, I think it has something to do with religion, and nothing to do with science. In any case, it's none of my business where Dr Inferno attends church.
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Could there be any more of shining example of post-modern thinking than that horrid quote? No such thing as facts? Everything is a matter of opinion? You've got to be kidding. Is this person honestly saying that all of scientific knowledge and achievement, that all objectively true things are simply people agreeing to agree? I certainly hope that these type of people don't think that planes are able to fly because the popular opinion is on their side. Utter nonsense. And if you think that somehow believing that science is in need of this sort of "refreshing" skepticism, you're just as intellectually bereft, or more so, than this person.
 
BenBurch said:
It was 36 degrees at 8:30 AM here. In Northern Illinois. In the first half of January!

I guess the alarmist global cooling ice-age religion is out the window, huh?
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We have had an exceptionally warm fall and winter with little precipitation here in New Mexico, especially so in the northern region. Even in the upper elevations we've had little snowfall (mountains are still near bare) and warm temps. Does this prove global warming is real? No, it does not. However, it does add to the growing body of evidence in support of it. Should we have a great deal of snow and colder temperatures next year, people will shrug it off but should the trend continue and our average snowfall decline and temperatures rise over the next few decades, people may change their tune. Until then, I expect opposition and denial of facts in evidence.
 
themusicteacher said:
Could there be any more of shining example of post-modern thinking than that horrid quote? No such thing as facts? Everything is a matter of opinion? You've got to be kidding.
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:D

Is this person honestly saying that all of scientific knowledge and achievement, that all objectively true things are simply people agreeing to agree?
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Yes, that appears to be what Dr Inferno was saying.

I certainly hope that these type of people don't think that planes are able to fly because the popular opinion is on their side. Utter nonsense.
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I don't think that's an accurate paraphrase of Dr Inferno's argument. As I understand it, he wouldn't claim that planes could fly unless there were an expert consensus that they cannot.

And if you think that somehow believing that science is in need of this sort of "refreshing" skepticism, you're just as intellectually bereft, or more so, than this person.
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Thank you!

You may enjoy reading Dr Inferno's proposed solution to the coming ice age:
http://denialdepot.blogspot.com/2009/12/new-theory-of-climate.html
 
Don't you think it's kind of convenient to claim there is global climate change and that the result is an increase and/or decrease in temperatures? The only other option is for the temperature to stay the same and there has always been a temperature fluctuation since we started recording such things. That's akin to betting on red and black, then claiming you have miraculous powers when you win.

Since there is neither a consistent increase or decrease in temperature (depending on what year you start the graph) I declare it noise pollution to discuss global cooling and warming. Now lets talk about something worthwhile. Did you hear about Haiti?
 
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