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Glenn Beck: I'm with her... Sort of.

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A lot of the Alt-Right are aghast as conservative shock radio DJ, Glenn Beck, posted to his Facebook that Trump has gone too far, and issued a call to support Hillary in the election saying that a vote for her is the "moral, ethical choice."

Every person, each of us must decide what is a bridge too far.
Mike Lee has obviously reached that point, where the moral compromise his party is asking him to make is simply beyond what is acceptable.
It is not acceptable to ask a moral, dignified man to cast his vote to help elect an immoral man who is absent decency or dignity.
If the consequence of standing against Trump and for principles is indeed the election of Hillary Clinton, so be it. At least it is a moral, ethical choice.
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He does go on to say that once elected that Conservatives should spend the next 4 years doing everything that they can to block her every initiative.
 
PhantomWolf said:
He does go on to say that once elected that Conservatives should spend the next 4 years doing everything that they can to block her every initiative.
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I can see how that might seem the better option if the alternative is Trump winning on the Republican ticket, taking the party down with him in the inevitable train-wreck. The party has a chance of getting their act together by the mid-terms, and a credible shot at 2020.

The Republican priority must surely be to make another such fiasco impossible.
 
Eventually Trump will become so distasteful to Republicans he'll start picking up votes from Democrats.
 
I think the republican party is continuing to split off its religious emphasis. Trump is the first GOP nominee I can remember in a long time that, for all intents and purposes, seems to be completely unreligious, and more of a fiscal conservative.

Unfortunately, to get someone like that on the ticket over the religious guys, they got someone where all the other crazy has gone to 11.

So this could be the natural progression (and even the only way) of how their religious masquerade is finally put aside: the 2020 candidate, if they are a sane fiscal conservative, with no religious hot air, could now be viable.
 
Denver said:
I think the republican party is continuing to split off its religious emphasis. Trump is the first GOP nominee I can remember in a long time that, for all intents and purposes, seems to be completely unreligious, and more of a fiscal conservative.

Unfortunately, to get someone like that on the ticket over the religious guys, they got someone where all the other crazy has gone to 11.

So this could be the natural progression (and even the only way) of how their religious masquerade is finally put aside: the 2020 candidate, if they are a sane fiscal conservative, with no religious hot air, could now be viable.
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We're not near there yet IMO.
And the problem isn't that too many voters are religious necessarily (putting aside the mormons and a few other groups), it's that politics entered the realm of entertainment some time back, and Americans are bored with pragmatic candidates. Trump is the ultimate embodiment of this. It partially explains the rise of Bernie too, in my opinion, because it occurred during a period of a steadily rising economy, low unemployment, etc. where the status quo was clearly effective. People still wanted to burn it down.

You saw how much traction the pragmatists Kasich and Jeb Bush got with the electorate this go-around. It'll probably be Cruz in 2020 beating out some relatively sane moderates like Kasich and Bill Haslam. We're ultimately headed for President Camacho. Religion is just a sometimes excuse.
 
I guess Glenn Beck is getting added to Sean Hannity's list of traitors now. Just yesterday afternoon, he and Louie Gohmert were saying that Conservatives had to support Trump no matter what he did, because Hillary getting elected would mean "the end of the United States as we know it".
Of course, Gohmert was also comparing Trump to Winston Churchill, so anything said needs to be taken with a grain of salt.
 
Glenny (whose former home town is also my former home town) isn't just falling in line with the other Mor(m)ons, either -- he's been strongly anti-Trump for a very long time, supporting the even more dangerous Ted Cruz. He wisely (I can't believe I just said that) has pointed out that the world doesn't end if Hillary Clinton is elected, just as it didn't when the Muslim-Kenyan-Commie-Socialist guy was elected. She can be opposed. He's looking forward to Cruz 2020.
 
Beck has three demographics: religious, tea-party, and young folk. His broadcasts are always directed at one (or some overlap) of those.

His appeal to the religious has always scared me: for a while he positioned himself as a prophet, being in touch with god's will and having the gift of seeing farther over the horizon than most. But he's failed in his proclamations so many times (and his gold-selling fiasco didn't help), that he's been re-focusing for a while to an emphasis on "principles": as long as you stay true to virtuous principles, you'll win in the end, no matter what actually happens. (But buy gold and survival food just in case). That way, he always stays long-term, and doesn't have to worry about short-term failed predictions.

So his latest stance is just an extension of his shift 1) When its obvious what is going to happen, make sure you don't predict otherwise, 2) Play lots of snippets where you predicted it in the past (and skip those where you contradicted it), 3) Use it as an opportunity to scare your listeners into buying stuff.
 
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Denver said:
So his latest stance is just an extension of his shift 1) When its obvious what is going to happen, make sure you don't predict otherwise, 2) Play lots of snippets where you predicted it in the past (and skip those where you contradicted it), 3) Use it as an opportunity to scare your listeners into buying stuff.
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I don't think it's a shift. He's never supported Trump, AFAIK.
 
Armitage72 said:
I guess Glenn Beck is getting added to Sean Hannity's list of traitors now. Just yesterday afternoon, he and Louie Gohmert were saying that Conservatives had to support Trump no matter what he did, because Hillary getting elected would mean "the end of the United States as we know it".
Of course, Gohmert was also comparing Trump to Winston Churchill, so anything said needs to be taken with a grain of salt.
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How is Louie. He and Steve King must be wondering where all the Mother Jones and Rolling Stone reporters have disappeared to for this cycle. As we've noted, when even Crazy Palin can't steal the limelight, you know you've got The Big Crazy on the top of the ticket.
 
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I don't think it's a shift. He's never supported Trump, AFAIK.
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Sorry, I didn't mean a shift to de-support Trump. I meant his shift in how he makes predictions. After how sure he was that Cruz was the chosen one (and before that, Obama was not), this time all he has left to save face is his adherence to what he calls principles.
 
Crazy as it sounds, it's probably wise to distance themselves from their nominee. Their job will be to obstruct Clinton's agenda, so when she claims she won the election (and "elections have consequences"), they can contend that she defeated a fake Republican who waged internecine warfare. Paul Ryan is the future face of the opposition, not Donald Trump.
 
Maya22 said:
Glenn Beck wants to be clear: He's not supporting Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton

From article: "The comment drew concerns from some of his supporters, so Beck followed up with Tuesday's statement. Beck, who left the GOP in 2015 because he was concerned it was not conservative enough, said he would support a lesser-known third-party candidate, Darrell Castle of the Constitution Party."
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We just got our election pamphlet from the state and Castle is on the ballot. He wants to restore the gold standard....
 
Trebuchet said:
We just got our election pamphlet from the state and Castle is on the ballot. He wants to restore the gold standard....
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Castle won't be on our ballot, however, Gloria La Riva will be on it. I wonder who is on ballots in the fewest states, lol.
 
Maya22 said:
Castle won't be on our ballot, however, Gloria La Riva will be on it. I wonder who is on ballots in the fewest states, lol.
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La Riva is on ours as well; we have a total of seven tickets. None of which is Evan McMullin. I got sucked down an internet rabbit-hole for about two or three hours yesterday looking up Castle's running mate Scott Bradley and the "University" from which he got a "PhD", which further sucked me into something called "Thomas Jefferson Education".

Because of our goofy primary system, we have only two candidates for every other office.
 
Hokulele said:
I am still struggling with the notion of "Glenn Beck" and "dignity" in the same post...
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He's crazy but pulls it out every now and again. He went nuts on some Alt Right Republicans who were harassing the unaccompanied minors who were showing up in droves a couple of years ago. In response, he ran a toy drive and went to make meals for the children IIRC. To his credit, there are clearly lines he won't cross.
 
I think he's a Mormon and they are apparently the only even slightly decent right wing Christian group in America.
 
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