Merged Glaciers slightly more robust than claimed.

[BenBurch]

One less, and not in any way thanks to the multitude of "skeptics" out there.

You are too kind. They are cranks.

 

[DogB]

I am puzzled. Someone comes up with a genuine screw up, and there silence is deafening from the deniers.

[devils advocate mode]

Why would they. They've been telling you for a decade that the IPCC is a political animal that bases its conclusions on political expediency rather than scientific validity. Now that it's been at least partially proved, what do you want them to say - told you so?

That would be childish.

[/devils advocate mode]

 

[a_unique_person]

Get thee behind me, Satan.

 

[DogB]

 

[mhaze]

[devils advocate mode]

Why would they. They've been telling you for a decade that the IPCC is a political animal that bases its conclusions on political expediency rather than scientific validity. Now that it's been at least partially proved, what do you want them to say - told you so?

That would be childish.

[/devils advocate mode]

It's likely the sorry ass lame timid wimpy OP title.

Get a mod to revise it to:

"IPCC Scientists Certified Idiots Think Rumor Mill is Peer Reviewed"

That'd bring up the count.

 

[chum]

Glaciergate

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jan/24/climate-change-glaciergate-mckie

The gist of it:

Last week, they got it. On Wednesday, the panel's chairman, Rajendra Pachauri, apologised for including, in the organisation's fourth assessment report of 2007, the claim that Himalayan glaciers would disappear by 2035. In fact, it will take at least 300 years for global warming to take its toll.

Look for this to be used in AGW denier's arguments:

How the claim ended up in a report whose authors are supposed to scrutinise "every statement in every sentence" is a mystery. Worse was the IPCC's reaction to the geologists who first questioned the panel's glacier claim last year. IPCC chairman Pachauri dismissed this work as "voodoo science" and argued it was not peer-reviewed. In fact, it was his own panel's report that had not been properly peer-reviewed. "At that point, the glacier claim ceased to be an appalling cock-up and looked more like a systematic failure on the IPCC's part," says Fred Pearce, the New Scientist journalist who first reported the glacier story. A seasoned climate change writer, he adds: "Deniers will now be on a hunt to find more errors like these and if they get them, Pachauri will be in real trouble."

Change the IPCC to reflect modern times?

As a result, many researchers now believe it is time for a change at the IPCC, a point backed by Mike Hulme, professor of climate change at the University of East Anglia. "The panel was set up in 1988, in a previous century," he argues. "There was no internet then, yet emails have transformed climate science. They get hacked and uploaded on to servers for all the world to read. People can follow the trail of an idea or argument in a way that was impossible 10 years ago. Climate science – like science in general – is being democratised and the IPCC needs to reflect that."

Instead of producing huge, voluminous reports every six or seven years, in which the results of tens of thousands of climate studies are each distilled into a few paragraphs, a much lighter touch needs to be taken, argue critics like Hulme. The panel needs to produce briefer reports on particular climate topics every year and be able to respond quickly to new studies and critiques.

Similarly, the intergovernmental nature of the panel needs re-examining. National academic bodies, like Britain's Royal Society, should take over controlling roles at the IPCC instead of governments, it is argued. In this way, a future IPCC would be better able to keep itself free from political pressure.

*facepalm*

Deniers say there is no connection between rising carbon levels and global warming. But how confident are they? If they persuade us to do nothing but are wrong, then the consequences will be terrible. Temperatures could rise by up to 5C. Earth will become hotter than it has been at any time over the past 30 million years. Coastal cities will drown, deserts will spread, crops will wither and billions will be left homeless.

 

[mhaze]

So this Pachuari guy, what?

He's a Denier now.

Man that is spreading like some flu virus what's going on.

 

[mhaze]

This is how science self-corrects.

Now, the job for Denialists is how to spin this to make it appear that they are not disappearing at all...

So some frikking iceland is now a nice sport fishing area...fly in, fish, fly out.

Some people would like that.

 

[FarmallMTA]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6991177.ece

Sorry, but ana error of 25X is not "slightly". It's HUGE. Plus, the error is even more extreme when the fact was also revealed that much of the Glacier Mass is GROWING, not shrinking, overall.

"Hayley Fowler of Newcastle University, suggested that their draft did not mention that Himalayan glaciers in the Karakoram range are growing rapidly, citing a paper published in the influential journal Nature"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ts-says-knew-data-verified.html#ixzz0dddZvadv
​

 

[Hallo Alfie]

So this Pachuari guy, what?

He's a Denier now.

Man that is spreading like some flu virus what's going on.

I don't know enough about it but there seems to be a fair bit of controversy over Pachuari's business interests too. Sounds like he isn't really that squeaky clean and AGW would suit his hip pocket just fine, thank you very much.

Things just get smellier and smellier imo.

 

[mhaze]

Look, you don't understand - okay, the glaciers are growing, that's climate change. And climate change is the result of AGW. If they are growing rapidly, that's alarming climate change. See, everything gets wacko and colder and hotter when the planet gets out of balance. And that's what we've got - we've knocked it oiut of balance. AGW is the cause of all the problems. Even the fact my dog fell in the pool today. That was caused by Exxon. And the coffee pot I made this morning helped to flood millions of poor people in Bangladesh. It's all my fault. I'm so horrible. It's so nice these warm Warmers told me how things really are so that I could understand, in words that were simple enough to make sense to even me. They are so nice and kind to save the planet and it's so important a job. That's why they are so serious all the time and worry so much about people who are Deniers who understand but basically being evil, want to keep running their Suburbans.