Giuliani Says BLM Is Racist

Beelzebuddy said:
That's still not right - the two percentages come from two different populations, so they can't be compared directly. Additionally, the higher rate of encounter is your assertion. We don't have the numbers at hand for that.
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Ah, right. Sorry. I thought sunmaster included statistics he did not include.

In 2013, the FBI says that blacks made up 28% of total arrests. Now arrests are not all encounters, obviously, but it does provide additional evidence that the issue is likely more about frequency of encounter than about racism in the killing itself.
 
Myron Proudfoot said:
here is a page with some linked FBI stats.

http://bluevirginia.us/2016/07/ew-jackson-continues-tweet-racist-lies

the money shot>>> That’s right, blacks are killed at “three times as high” a rate “at the hands of police as white people” in this country. Any further questions?
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That's cherry picking statistics to push a narrative. When someone who knows how to think critically (and also happens to be a top expert in the field) looks at the data this is what they conclude:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/18/upshot/police-killings-of-blacks-what-the-data-says.html
 
The issue, for me, is how someone is treated during their interaction with the police. Is the force used by police justifiable, regardless of the races involved. I fully understand a phone video may not convey all the important details. Police using body camera's should become mandatory. Ones that can't easily "fall off".

I've always given police the benefit of the doubt. I just wish there was a better and faster way to get to the truth in situations like we've seen recently.
 
Now if Giuliani said that BLM is one sided and seems to consider all cops to be guilty and all blacks shot by cops to be innocenct victims,I would have a great deal of agreement with him. But calling them racist is going way too far.
 
Myriad said:
"Racist" has become code for "lower-class and therefore not worth any consideration."

Black Lives Matter protestors are racist.

Brexit voters are racist.

Trump supporters are racist.

If Louis XVI were around today, he'd be complaining "the peasants are racist." (In French, though.)
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Racist!
 
Argumemnon said:
The term has become overused, of course, which makes real cases of racism hard to point out. Many people are pointing out that BLM is racist, but I don't know if that's actually representative of the whole movement. One thing's for sure, there's a lot of actual racist comments around that group.
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It's true. Which is fortunate for me as nobody has yet called me on my "No dogs, no Irish, no Blacks!" sign on my air b'n'b page.
 
I don't think they are racist, just stupid. BLM had I-40 closed down in Memphis last night for hours. What were they protesting? Themselves? African-Americans/Democrats dominate the City Council as well as the County Commission. They pick the Mayor they want, and the Mayor appoints the Police Chief who is in charge of the hiring of all of the cops. They have no one to blame but themselves if things don't go right because they make all of the decisions.

Now, a few years ago when a couple of cops blew away Steven Askew, a black citizen with no criminal record who was sleeping in his car waiting for his girlfriend to get off of work, there were no protests. There was nothing. Recently the Commercial Appeal did a piece on the three year anniversary of his death, but IMO no one in the city government actually cared about it at all. Both cops were found to have acted appropriately after shooting him once in the arm, twice in the neck, and six times in the back. Both are still cops in Memphis.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/new...391b-a403-5e05-e053-0100007f41-373552471.html
 
Beelzebuddy said:
Those numbers don't quite follow. There's an order of magnitude difference between the ~1k people killed by police and the ~50 people who kill police annually. If you're really saying that the one follows from the other, that police only kill people in fear of their own lives, then the conclusion I reach is still that cops murder way too many people. This says that regardless of race it is MUCH more dangerous to be stopped by a cop than to stop someone as a cop.
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:eek: :jaw-dropp

Seriously? Has it occurred to you that when it comes to cop vs civilian in a case of deadly force being used, that the police tend to have better training, weapons, and things like body armour? That cops getting into these situations often have advantages in the weight of numbers? You seem to be suggesting that it should be a 50-50 game on who survives, the cop or the criminal, that they should be evenly matched or it's somehow unfair.

If you have an armed attacker banging on your door, would you really want any response by the police to be a 50-50 ball game, or would you want the police to have an overwhelming advantage to taking out the homicidal crazy that wants you dead?
 
Also, using the figures from the FBI for 2013

Of the ~50,000 assaults on LEOs in 2013, 4.5% were with firearms, 1.8% with knives, 13.9% with other deadly weapons.

This means that 20% of attacks on LEOs were with some form of lethal weapon, 10,000 attacks a year, over 2,000 of those with firearms.

That only 1,000 were killed in these confrontations actually speaks volumes for the work of the police.
 
I'd also note that we need to be careful with the numbers of people killed too, as having looked through the cases on occasion they are padded with deaths such as...

Guy was lying on the road drunk and asleep at night and is hit by a cop car.
Cop stops his wife and shoots her following domestic incident.
Off duty cop shoots an attacker that tried to rape her.
Multiple Prisoners who died in an accidental fire at a jail.

None of these are the sort of deaths that should be included in determining police shooting deaths.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I don't get it why people have to answer BLM with All LM. They completely miss the point.

In Giuliani's case, his bigotry is not so under the surface.

Rudy Giuliani (sort of) endorses Donald Trump

Rudy Giuliani is voting for Donald Trump
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Somewhere there is a video of Rudy in drag flirting with Trump. ;)

ETA:
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2015/08/donald-trump-rudy-giuliani-drag

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PhantomWolf said:
I'd also note that we need to be careful with the numbers of people killed too, as having looked through the cases on occasion they are padded with deaths such as...

Guy was lying on the road drunk and asleep at night and is hit by a cop car.
Cop stops his wife and shoots her following domestic incident.Off duty cop shoots an attacker that tried to rape her.
Multiple Prisoners who died in an accidental fire at a jail.

None of these are the sort of deaths that should be included in determining police shooting deaths.
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Sorry mate. May just me being thick, but as it reads how does this not count
 
Another problem with the Giuliani shoulder chip, like lots of police supporters, defending the police creates blinders to the bad apples. It's one reason we can't weed the bad apples out. Any acknowledgement of their existence is seen as disloyalty to the whole.
 
PhantomWolf said:
:eek: :jaw-dropp

Seriously? Has it occurred to you that when it comes to cop vs civilian in a case of deadly force being used, that the police tend to have better training, weapons, and things like body armour? That cops getting into these situations often have advantages in the weight of numbers? You seem to be suggesting that it should be a 50-50 game on who survives, the cop or the criminal, that they should be evenly matched or it's somehow unfair.

If you have an armed attacker banging on your door, would you really want any response by the police to be a 50-50 ball game, or would you want the police to have an overwhelming advantage to taking out the homicidal crazy that wants you dead?
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The rhetoric is that the police are putting their lives on the line every time they interact with civilians, so incidents where they shoot someone in a nervous panic are tragic but they shouldn't be blamed for it.

The fact is that it is way, way more dangerous to be the civilian they are interacting with.
 
Skeptical Greg said:
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The fact is, it is a lot less dangerous than crossing the street, or any number of other things..

.....For most people...
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That too. Perspective is important, but the neon in my "undersea welder lives matter" sign is busted, so what you gonna do?
 
cullennz said:
Sorry mate. May just me being thick, but as it reads how does this not count
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Because it was a domestic homicide not a police shooting. He flat out murdered her, just as any other husband that tracks down his (ex) wife and shoots her does, it was not a shooting in the line of duty.
 
PhantomWolf said:
Because it was a domestic homicide not a police shooting. He flat out murdered her, just as any other husband that tracks down his (ex) wife and shoots her does, it was not a shooting in the line of duty.
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Ahh get it. Just read it wrong sorry
 
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