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"Ghost Hunters" Revisited

CLD

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I have read Don Riefler's comments on the "Ghost Hunters" show (dated 2004 on JREF at [link removed]) but feel he has only scratched the surface. Riefler's review does not take the show or its potential impact seriously. Yet tens of thousands of hard-core fans DO take it seriously. Two years after Riefler's review, the show has achieved some of the highest prime-time ratings ever recorded for its network, and the dedication of TAPS fans approaches cult-like proportions. I have been on the TAPS official website, and after asking some reasonable questions, was angrily told to leave by dozens of posters and moderators because it was unacceptable to "question the TAPS team's integrity". Several others I know had similar experiences.

The behavior seems odd, given that many of the devotees of the show are not what one would normally classify as "woos". They are just average folks curious about the supernatural. What seems to gain these folks unwavering trust is the 'skepticism and debunking' approach of TAPS investigations on the TV show. (The reasoning goes, "Why would someone who is trying to debunk the paranormal lie or falsify evidence?) Indeed, it appears that many average people think 'Ghost Hunters' is a paranormal version of 'Myth Busters'.

However, I believe the show is intentionally misleading. It cleverly mixes real debunking with false debunking in order to gain the audience's trust. After watching a dozen episodes, one can see the pattern: (1) The TAPS leaders begin the investigations with a lecture to the audience about the value of skepticism, and promptly debunk one or two obvious examples [wind moving a door, etc.] (2) Later, the team discovers they have captured "startling evidence" on video [shadowy hooded figures running by the cameras, etc.]. (3) After a half-hearted analysis laced with scientific-sounding mumbo-jumbo, they totally fail to debunk the "startling evidence" and pronounce it 'paranormal', (4) They play the video containing the "startling evidence" to the site occupants, and soberly advise them that "the place is definitely haunted".

A big problem I have with 'Ghost Hunters' is that their 'evidence' consists largely of pre-edited video sequences. (The un-edited footage, as well as any detailed "investigation records", are sealed by TAPS) In the show, they often claim to be hard-nosed skeptics. A few moments later in the same show, they claim that demonic and paranormal entities exist, and "EVP's" are voices from beyond the grave.

Also in the show, they claim their evidence is not proof of haunting. A few moments later in the same show, they claim their evidence has convinced them a site is haunted. One moment they're skeptics, the next moment they're believers. One moment their evidence is inconclusive, the next moment it's conclusive.

It's the kind of shell-game of misdirection/suggestion often employed by magicians and illusionists. I have nothing against magic and illusion as entertainment. But 'Ghost Hunters' purports to be REAL. The growing perception is that Sylvia Browne's antics and shows like "Most Haunted" are fake -- but "Ghost Hunters" presents factual reality.

There are several links to independent skeptical web pages which analyze some of the show's 'evidence' listed in the external links at [link to Wikipedia 'Ghost Hunters' article removed]. These links will shortly be stricken from Wikipedia because they do not meet the online encyclopedia's criteria for accepted sources. There currently is no mainstream criticism of the 'Ghost Hunters' show. In my opinion, Mr. Randi could be of service to the community at large and the television viewing public by devoting some critical attention to TAPS and 'Ghost Hunters'.

*Note: since this is my first post, JREF forums do not allow me to include links.
 
Good first post! Welcome to the Forum.

I've watched Ghost Hunters and I can see why it appeals to some folk. I, personally, find it infuriating. I agree completely with you that it's misleading and essentially dishonest in its presentation. They do throw out the occasional skeptical nugget, but these guys are definitely believers.
 
I guess I wasn't specific enough. There is evidence to suggest that they fake the "ghostly activity" on the show.
 
I guess I wasn't specific enough. There is evidence to suggest that they fake the "ghostly activity" on the show.

What gives it away? Their Scooby-Doo gang-like "yoinks", followed by them screaming and running away, recovering with "did you hear that?" when the viewer heard absolutely nothing?
 
Every time I flip past that show I can't help but snicker. It's like watching children playing make believe through night vision cameras.
 
Well, I can't post any links until I'm a non-newbie here, otherwise I'd give you guys some fun reading.

The Scooby-Doo-like "did you see/hear that?" play-acting is now being supplemented by video 'evidence' of shadowy, solid-looking figures, autokinetic objects, spectral female voices screaming for help, etc.

It really is amazing how this show has evolved in 2 - 1/2 years. Due to it's unprecedented ratings, it is now going into a THIRD season. The two plumbers are now producers of the show (though that fact is downplayed) and the other team members have signed with talent agencies to manage their personal appearances. Despite the obvious profit motive, TAPS clings to its nonprofit status ("our purpose is to help people") and denies that anything on the show is staged.
 
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It wouldn't surprise me to find out they fake the things that happen. It also wouldn't surprise me that out of the hours and hours of videotape, some "unusual" things happen which they then accept as paranormal without further investigation. Perhaps as time has gone on they've ramped up the fakery in order to ramp up the success of their show.

One of their early shows involved a lighthouse in which a chair "inexplicably" moved across a floor while being videotaped. For them it was a haunting. It seems to me that every time they showed the tape, you can see some movement in the adjacent stairway at the same time the chair moved. This suggested some string or other contrivance moving the chair. I found it curious that they never noted the movement in the stairwell when watching the tape. Blatant fraud on their part would certainly explain why.
 
Yes, I have links to a debunking of the lighthouse chair that illuminates the obvious fishing-line trickery.

But for now, go to Youtube and type "ghost hunters moon river" in the video search box. You'll get a poor quality (shot off a TV screen) segment of the show where TAPS claim to have captured video evidence of a paranormal apparition (obviously someone wearing a black cloth and crouching behind the pool table) in a basement pub. Listen to how they try to "sell" the audience on its legitimacy, using some very bad acting skills. Not only did they not try to debunk it, they avoided mentioning a door hidden behind a partition that would allow cloak-wearing humans to make 'ghostly' appearances.
 
They have probably been caught in the same trap as Most Haunted found itself in. That nothing happens, and a show of that is plain boring. I did a pilot for a paranormal show a while ago, and when one of our meter things went off near a television set my mate commented and tried to explain why this was, thinking that the viewer might be interested. The camera guy (also co-producer) told her to say 'wow! look at this reading!'. She refused.
We have been making some small ghost hunting mini documentaries for web release, and in the first one we had something happen that we can't yet explain. As a result of these programs such as Ghost Hunters and MH, I am refusing to allow that show to be the first aired, as people will think that they are just watching another 'entertainment' program. Of course I am not claiming that we will be anything important, it's just a bit of fun.
This sort of rubbish needs to be exposed, but like MH, forums seem to be inundated with 'fans' rather than people that just have an interest, so you can't say a word against any of it without being told you are closed minded and possibly banned.
 
I watched the first season of Ghost Hunters for laughs. The crew are such stumblebums I thought it might be intended to be funny. Plumbers as paranormal investigators? Demonologists? It was like an episode of the Dead End Kids. Now you tell me some people take them seriously. That explains a lot about the state of the USA today.
 
I watched the first season of Ghost Hunters for laughs. The crew are such stumblebums I thought it might be intended to be funny. Plumbers as paranormal investigators? Demonologists? It was like an episode of the Dead End Kids. Now you tell me some people take them seriously. That explains a lot about the state of the USA today.

Not some, a lot. Because of Ghost Hunters explosive ratings, "paranormal investigation reality shows" of every stripe have been rushed into production, such as "Dead Tenants", "Haunting Evidence" etc. Word among the TV community in LA (where I live) is that paranormal is HOT right now, and anyone with a decent reality concept can get a meeting with producers anxious to cash in. One concept I recently heard considered is called "Ghost Divas", i.e. a team of attractive young women sporting revealing oufits and sassy attitudes who set out to debunk hauntings with the latest scientific instrumentation -- yet find startling evidence of the supernatural. Bear in mind this is intended to be presented as reality, not fiction.

As I said, I have nothing against entertainment, but it disturbs me that a large proportion of viewers are being misled by shows such as Ghost Hunters.
 
But for now, go to Youtube and type "ghost hunters moon river" in the video search box. You'll get a poor quality (shot off a TV screen) segment of the show where TAPS claim to have captured video evidence of a paranormal apparition (obviously someone wearing a black cloth and crouching behind the pool table) in a basement pub.

Watched it. Ugh. What doofuses.

Here's what really struck me when watching this. Say you were really interested in ghosts and you managed to (poorly) videotape something that looks very much like a ghost. Something you are convinced is actually a spirit from beyond. Why would you then reveal your findings to the owner of the confirmed "haunted" building and go on your merry way?

If you were convinced you had real evidence, wouldn't you stay night after night, bringing in better equipment and more cameras to fully document the ghost? Wouldn't you continue your research until you could conclusively demonstrate the existence of ghosts to the world, thus gaining fame and fortune?

The fact that they pack up and leave after their "findings" tells the story of whether or not they really believe.
 
Watched it. Ugh. What doofuses.

Here's what really struck me when watching this. Say you were really interested in ghosts and you managed to (poorly) videotape something that looks very much like a ghost. Something you are convinced is actually a spirit from beyond. Why would you then reveal your findings to the owner of the confirmed "haunted" building and go on your merry way?

If you were convinced you had real evidence, wouldn't you stay night after night, bringing in better equipment and more cameras to fully document the ghost? Wouldn't you continue your research until you could conclusively demonstrate the existence of ghosts to the world, thus gaining fame and fortune?

The fact that they pack up and leave after their "findings" tells the story of whether or not they really believe.

Well, true-believer syndrome comes complete with a pair of blinders. Their fan base sends them pleading emails, e.g. "The pool table ghost was AWESOME! You GOTTA go back there and spend at least 2 weeks!" and, "I think you guys are AWESOME but can you go back and use more than one camera so you can really give us a good look at the ghost?" etc.

Their standard reply is something like, "Yes, we were very impressed with the haunting at that site and we would love to go back someday, but we're very busy with shooting investigations for the new season as well as helping people around the US who are experiencing paranormal phenomena" etc. etc. etc.

Regarding the possible fame and riches resulting from demonstrating the existence of ghosts to the world, their standard reply is that TAPS is a nonprofit organization, and they already have fame from their TV show.

Very slippery fellows. Well, standby for Season 3 beginning in late August or early September. Ghost Hunting is big business now.
 
Ghost Hunting is big business now.

Ooh you've hit my annoyance button. Was a time when us 'little guy/girl' ghost hunters could call up a supposedly haunted location and in al probablitily get to spend 24 hours there doing whatever we do (with me, it's all surveillance). Now, all the venues have themselves attached to some tour group, and to get in you HAVE to go through them. These then insist you have a talk about how to use equipment (I won't even get started on that), shove a medium in with you and insist you follow them about. If one was to spot a spook on one of these 'tour nights', it would be impossible to prove conditions, since there are so many people there, and often screaming and running about like they are in an episode of Scooby Doo.
 
Welcome fellow Ghost Hunters critic! This show, their forum, and an upsetting experience with a local "TAPS Family" ghost busting team sent me screaming to the JREF.
 
Does this mean it's a good time to market my "Quantum Ghost Detector"? If I could get one of these shows to use it my sales will double! It detects ghosts on a quantum level using tachyons. Edgar Cayce designed it in a dream but never built it because electron emmitters weren't invented yet.
 
Does this mean it's a good time to market my "Quantum Ghost Detector"? If I could get one of these shows to use it my sales will double! It detects ghosts on a quantum level using tachyons. Edgar Cayce designed it in a dream but never built it because electron emmitters weren't invented yet.

Don't stop there. Go for broke! Market Thomas Edision's Ghost Telephone
 
Does this mean it's a good time to market my "Quantum Ghost Detector"? If I could get one of these shows to use it my sales will double! It detects ghosts on a quantum level using tachyons. Edgar Cayce designed it in a dream but never built it because electron emmitters weren't invented yet.

That would be 2 times what, exactly?:D
 
Despite the obvious profit motive, TAPS clings to its nonprofit status ("our purpose is to help people") and denies that anything on the show is staged.

Much like self-help gurus "giving" by putting 1 or 2 hour lecture "specials" on PBS. It ain't about that show, the loss leader, it's about the paid appearances elsewhere and book deals and so on.

Like the Three Stooges, who earned very little from their shorts we watch on TV, but a ton from their public stage appearances.
 

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