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Ghislaine Maxwell

carlitos said:
We can add Ponzi Scrme to the long list of misused terms here.

The only way that term would be analogous to this case would be if each man were promised multiple girls and then Maxwell was paying the longer-standing clients with new recruits brought by the newest men that just joined the scheme. It makes no sense.
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Think of a triangle. Epstein/Maxwell at the top, Maxwell's recruits next. Each of these recruits recruits their friends/their friends recruit their friends, and so on. Soon, Epstein and Maxwell were throwing the most sought after parties and dinners amongst the 'in-crowd', as word gets around, raking in Clinton and even Prince Charles and Prince Andrew (both of whom are listed in Epsteins 'little black book').

Not much different from how Madoff recruited 'investors'.
 
Vixen said:
Think of a triangle. Epstein/Maxwell at the top, Maxwell's recruits next. Each of these recruits recruits their friends/their friends recruit their friends, and so on. Soon, Epstein and Maxwell were throwing the most sought after parties and dinners amongst the 'in-crowd', as word gets around, raking in Clinton and even Prince Charles and Prince Andrew (both of whom are listed in Epsteins 'little black book').

Not much different from how Madoff recruited 'investors'.
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You're not describing a Ponzi scheme, you're describing Pyramid selling...

....and before you ask, no, they are not the same thing.

https://constantinecannon.com/pract...pes/financial-investment-fraud/ponzi-schemes/
 
Vixen said:
You are out of touch with objective reality if you believe Maxwell has been convicted of sexual assault or of anything.
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I’m sure everyone in this thread would agree with you, but of course your post has nothing to do with the mistake you made.
 
Darat said:
I’m sure everyone in this thread would agree with you, but of course your post has nothing to do with the mistake you made.
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In which way is Maxwell's alleged sexual assault not on paper? A trial consists of hearing both sides of the evidence. You haven't heard her side yet. It's one thing claiming to be a victim of a sexual predator but quite another proving it in court.
 
Vixen said:
In which way is Maxwell's alleged sexual assault not on paper? A trial consists of hearing both sides of the evidence. You haven't heard her side yet. It's one thing claiming to be a victim of a sexual predator but quite another proving it in court.
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And?
 
Darat said:
And?
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Smart Cooky saying he hopes Maxwell goes away a long time is rather prejudging the situation, right?

Sure, Bradley Edwards for the victims has done a magnificent job in bringing Maxwell to justice on behalf of his clients. If you know anything about court cases, one thing judges hate, is when one party or other goes on a huge media campaign outside of the trial itself to present its case to the public as being the correct one.
 
RecoveringYuppy said:
That needs some explanation before I would agree it's accurate. It would appear to be the exact opposite of accurate.

Are you trying to say that those sentences would be the "analog" rather than the "equivalent"? Is this a correct paraphrase of what you are trying to say: In Europe a person would face 15-20 years for a crime that would get life or death in the US?
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No what i meant was that internationally a sentence of 15-20 years is the same length as what a "life sentence" would at minimum entail. With that said it's certainly the case that prison sentences in the US are often significantly harsher than in other developed western countries.

The US only recently restricted the death penalty to murder whereas it has been abolished in all of Europe except the post-soviet dictatorship of Belarus.
 
Vixen said:
You are out of touch with objective reality if you believe Maxwell has been convicted of sexual assault or of anything.
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I would if I did, but I don't.

You do understand that her guilt is not dependant on conviction, right? I mean, the odds of her being innocent, given what we know, are pretty slim.

I don't understand why you think she's innocent. Perhaps you're just being contrarian, or habitually wrong. I don't know. But the post I quoted here is completely out of bounds. Why did you even make it, since it doesn't have anything to do with what I said?
 
Vixen said:
Erm, you do know what an analogy is?
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Yes, and that's not what you were doing. In response to a post correcting you on what a Ponzi scheme is, you replied with a post about a pyramid-shaped scheme, as if that somehow make sthe connection between the two.

Pyramid schemes are not the same as Ponzi schemes, and neither have anything to do with the topic of the thread.
 
Vixen said:
Smart Cooky saying he hopes Maxwell goes away a long time is rather prejudging the situation, right?

Sure, Bradley Edwards for the victims has done a magnificent job in bringing Maxwell to justice on behalf of his clients. If you know anything about court cases, one thing judges hate, is when one party or other goes on a huge media campaign outside of the trial itself to present its case to the public as being the correct one.
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Belz... has it right
Belz... said:
I would if I did, but I don't.
You do understand that her guilt is not dependant on conviction, right? I mean, the odds of her being innocent, given what we know, are pretty slim.

I don't understand why you think she's innocent. Perhaps you're just being contrarian, or habitually wrong. I don't know. But the post I quoted here is completely out of bounds. Why did you even make it, since it doesn't have anything to do with what I said?
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I thought the debate was not about whether she committed a crime in the USA, but rather that a sentence of 35 years would be manifestly excessive for behaviour which might be close to legal in parts of Europe such as Italy, where age of consent is 12.
If on the other hand she is guilty of sexually assaulting these girls that raises the stakes.
 
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Belz... said:
Yes, and that's not what you were doing. In response to a post correcting you on what a Ponzi scheme is, you replied with a post about a pyramid-shaped scheme, as if that somehow make sthe connection between the two.

Pyramid schemes are not the same as Ponzi schemes, and neither have anything to do with the topic of the thread.
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Stop talking nonsense. I did not refer to pyramid selling, I chose a Sex Ponzi analogy for Epstein's method of recruiting prostitutes and it is tough if you do not like it. I choose my analogies, not you. Please concentrate on the topic instead of dreaming up phoney arguments.
 
Belz... said:
I would if I did, but I don't.

You do understand that her guilt is not dependant on conviction, right? I mean, the odds of her being innocent, given what we know, are pretty slim.

I don't understand why you think she's innocent. Perhaps you're just being contrarian, or habitually wrong. I don't know. But the post I quoted here is completely out of bounds. Why did you even make it, since it doesn't have anything to do with what I said?
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You are lying. I did not say she was innocent.

For me, objectivity is all, and that is the aim of any half decent judge in a criminal trial.

We have heard Bradley Edwards' side of the story, the book, the film, the TV videos, the audiotapes, the tweets. We have not heard Maxwell's. For all you know, she, too, might be a victim of Epstein. You do know that over the last eleven years or so, Epstein has had at least two different main girlfriends and Maxwell wasn't even around much after 2001?

Did you know Virginia Roberts, as she was then known, was just two month's shy of her eighteenth birthday when she met Prince Andrew. Seventeen is the legal age in England so under English law, Roberts was a consenting adult. As she flew from the USA with Maxwell it is difficult to believe she was 'trafficked' against her will. That's not to say Prince Andrew is innocent. If he had sex with underage girls barely older than his own daughters and indulged in orgies with them, as Roberts alleges, then of course, he is a disgusting creep, who should rightly be brought to justice.

Your claim that you know all about the case cannot be true because you have yet to hear the defence.
 
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