Getaway driver arrested for murder.

[phiwum]

No. You forgot the line you put in after that where you said:



And a poster responded:

Is it true that warning shots will lead to arrest more than shooting burglars? There would be something really wrong if that's the case.

 

[Babbylonian]

Is it true that warning shots will lead to arrest more than shooting burglars? There would be something really wrong if that's the case.

An arrest would be doubtful given this specific situation, but firing a gun without aiming at a target is illegal in populated areas because of the chances of hitting someone or something unintentionally, and self defense wouldn't be likely to fly in court. Most people don't live in homes constructed to absorb/deflect bullets, so even firing from inside a house could result in an uninvolved person being shot accidentally (depending on the weapon/ammunition combination).

One of the most important rules taught in gun safety classes is to be sure of your target. Warning shots do not tend to fulfill that requirement since the only aim would usually be to not hit the target at which you're shooting.

 

[sadhatter]

Right. And it's not even a pack of three. It's an armed pack of three. Assuming that they might be violent is not only reasonable but sensible.

One of my favorite quotes from a self defense manual.

"An armed group of anything over two people isn't a fight is a death sentence. Either run or be prepared to kill. " - prisons cold steel

 

[jeffas69]

Is it true that warning shots will lead to arrest more than shooting burglars? There would be something really wrong if that's the case.

I only know of the one case where a woman claimed she fired warning shots at her husband or ex that had beat her in the past. I believe the decision to charge was based on speculation that if she was actually in fear for her life she would have shot to kill. There of course may be others. I for one think it is a stupid conclusion to make if that was the only factor that brought the charge.

 

[Belz...]

Because the first assumption should be, they are there to burgle.

Stop stalling. That's the thing I'm asking you to justify.

And even if they are there to burgle, there's no telling what they'll do if you confront them. You want to fire a warning shot or warn them off? Ok, fine, take that risk, but don't claim that the people who don't are somehow wrong for making a perfectly reasonable assumption.

It seems rash to me to put your life at risk, just for the sake of protecting a small amount of cash or a piece of white goods.

Now that's downright dishonest, since you've already been told what it was about, and it wasn't just stuff.

Call the police and leave it to them.

And do what? Stay in your room while you wait for them to, hopefully, only steal the silverware?

Revenge is good, but it is a dish best served cold.

It has nothing to do with revenge. Maybe you should start arguing the actual points of others rather than strawmanning them.

 

[BStrong]

Is it true that warning shots will lead to arrest more than shooting burglars? There would be something really wrong if that's the case.

Even regarding LEO's

The premise is that the only legitimate use of a lethal weapon is as a last resort to prevent imminent death or injury.

The record shows that the imminent threat portion is highly subjective, but ime an individual breaking into an occupied dwelling meets that standard.

 

[Matthew Best]

Let's not forget that this would not have happened in Britain, because there wouldn't have been a getaway driver in the first place.

Here in the good old UK we have a proper public transport system, and the burglars would undoubtedly have availed themselves of that instead.

 

[Sir Robin Goodfellow]

True. There was a case not too long ago about some old psycho in Minnesota that killed two kids that broke into his house. Unlike this case, that guy decided to execute them after they were already incapacitated. Then left them there, dead, in his house for a day before calling the authorities. And he audio recorded it (which showed he taunted one of them as he executed her) and told the cops all about it! Oh yeah, he also made it look like he wasn't home to lure them there, and laid in wait in his basement.

He was convicted of two counts of first degree murder and given a life sentence. Deservedly so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byron_David_Smith_killings

I think if Smith had shot the first intruder and them immediately called 911, he would have been in the clear. If I recall, these first shots were lethal and the intruder died within seconds. Ten minutes or so later, the second intruder came downstairs looking for her missing companion, and she was shot and wounded, but may have survived with prompt medical care. She was then shot execution-style. Had the police been called immediately, she likely wouldn't have had a chance to go down the stairs. It seems he may have indeed baited them into an ambush of sorts, but I'm not sure if his preparations would be illegal. I'm no expert on Minnesota law.

 

[Belz...]

However, if having challenged the three and they move to bring out a weapon, then sure, shooting them is a reasonable option.

You really seem to calculate options and actions based on movies and television. In real life, do you really want to bet your life on something that's over in less than a second?

Do you even understand how such a home invasion unfolds?

If he shot them because he was irked and wanted to teach them a lesson, then he should face manslaughter charges.

Irked? You really seem intent on using words to twist this situation into something entirely different, which indicates that you're either arguing dishonestly or from a position of idiology or ignorance.

 

[phiwum]

An arrest would be doubtful given this specific situation, but firing a gun without aiming at a target is illegal in populated areas because of the chances of hitting someone or something unintentionally, and self defense wouldn't be likely to fly in court. Most people don't live in homes constructed to absorb/deflect bullets, so even firing from inside a house could result in an uninvolved person being shot accidentally (depending on the weapon/ammunition combination).

One of the most important rules taught in gun safety classes is to be sure of your target. Warning shots do not tend to fulfill that requirement since the only aim would usually be to not hit the target at which you're shooting.

Yeah, okay, fair enough. Thanks.

 

[Vixen]

You really seem to calculate options and actions based on movies and television. In real life, do you really want to bet your life on something that's over in less than a second?

Do you even understand how such a home invasion unfolds?



Irked? You really seem intent on using words to twist this situation into something entirely different, which indicates that you're either arguing dishonestly or from a position of idiology or ignorance.

As the self-professed expert in this crime, perhaps you can tell us all what happened. You can have the last word.

As for your first assumption, ASSUME makes an ASS out of U and ME.

 

[Vixen]

Let's not forget that this would not have happened in Britain, because there wouldn't have been a getaway driver in the first place.

Here in the good old UK we have a proper public transport system, and the burglars would undoubtedly have availed themselves of that instead.

They apologise on their way out, 'Awfully sorry, good day to you, Sir' as they tug their forelock.

Keep calm and carry on!

 

[Babbylonian]

As the self-professed expert in this crime, perhaps you can tell us all what happened. You can have the last word.

As for your first assumption, ASSUME makes an ASS out of U and ME.

You've repeatedly made baseless assumptions about the shooter's state of mind. Member, read thine own words.

 

[Resume]

Let's not forget that this would not have happened in Britain, because there wouldn't have been a getaway driver in the first place.

Here in the good old UK we have a proper public transport system, and the burglars would undoubtedly have availed themselves of that instead.

And after a good night's sleep, and upon ruminating upon the crime, the feckless youths would then turn themselves in. A Vixen-like magistrate would clear all the charges, then retire to chambers for a mug of Bovril, and a glass of Watneys Red Barrel.

 

[Giz]

Let's not forget that this would not have happened in Britain, because there wouldn't have been a getaway driver in the first place.

Here in the good old UK we have a proper public transport system, and the burglars would undoubtedly have availed themselves of that instead.

They don't call it the London underground for nothing!

 

[Vixen]

And after a good night's sleep, and upon ruminating upon the crime, the feckless youths would then turn themselves in. A Vixen-like magistrate would clear all the charges, then retire to chambers for a mug of Bovril, and a glass of Watneys Red Barrel.

Cup of tea. A nice cup of tea. Made properly. With real tea leaves. Bone china cups. A couple of bikkies.

 

[Vixen]

You've repeatedly made baseless assumptions about the shooter's state of mind. Member, read thine own words.

That is what this thread is for.

 

[EHocking]

Let's not forget that this would not have happened in Britain, because there wouldn't have been a getaway driver in the first place.

Here in the good old UK we have a proper public transport system, and the burglars would undoubtedly have availed themselves of that instead.

And you can't find a parking spot anywhere.

 

[Belz...]

As the self-professed expert in this crime, perhaps you can tell us all what happened.

Do you even know what "self-professed" means? I never did what you now accuse me of doing.

As for what happened, perhaps you should do like the rest of us and read the OP.

As for your first assumption, ASSUME makes an ASS out of U and ME.

What are you, 12?

You're the one who made assumptions, I'M the one saying that you can't have that luxury when your home is being broken into. You have made ZERO attempt to address any of my points so far, and now you're acting like a child.

 

[Ranb]

That is what this thread is for.

Actually no, I made this thread to discuss a getaway driver in a home invasion who was arrested for murder after her three accomplices were killed by a resident of the home they invaded.

I'd hoped to avoid the hyperbole and hysterics more commonly found in other forums. But thanks anyway.