Get raped, get 90 lashes. Sounds fair

For the last time neither the Rushdie case or the Saudi princess case were tried under Shari'a. Not then, not ever. Rushdie was condemned by fatwa. He did not go before a Shari'a court. This does not mean that Shari'a
does not condemn people to death for blasphemy. It does, and Rushdie allegedly blasphemed by writing his book. The Princess and her husband did not go before a Shari'a court. Not then, not ever. This does not mean that Shari'a will not condemn and woman to death for marrying without her father's (or in this case her grand-father's) permission. The princess and her husband were condemned on the order of the bride's grand father who was the King's brother. I guess he felt he didn't need to bother with formalities and simply called for an honor killinhg, well an honor execution.

There are still photos from film made of the execution which found their way to British television news which I saw when I lived there. I appreciate the fact that a documentary of the execution was released later which I could not have seen in the UK as it was released after I no longer lived there. Some of those stills are available on Google images and have been posted previously.

The bottom line Claus is that you claim to be opposed and condmn such barbaric acts of punishment but at the dsame time you continue to dispute fine details of things which actually happened. What exactly is your objective? It
seems to me by disputing such details you are trying to discount the notion that such barbaric acts happened.
 
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CFLarsen said:
If Steve didn't lie, I wouldn't have to point it out.
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You don't have to do anything. You like bickering with Steve. You like to pick out inconsequential errors, and call them lies. You share this characteristic with your soulmate, Shane.

Not that I mind. I enjoy your theatrics.
 
SteveGrenard said:
For the last time neither the Rushdie case or the Saudi princess case were tried under Shari'a. Not then, not ever. Rushdie was condemned by fatwa. He did not go before a Shari'a court. This does not mean that Shari'a
does not condemn people to death for blasphemy. It does, and Rushdie allegedly blasphemed by writing his book. The Princess and her husband did not go before a Shari'a court. Not then, not ever. This does not mean that Shari'a will not condemn and woman to death for marrying without her father's (or in this case her grand-father's) permission. The princess and her husband were condemned on the order of the bride's grand father who was the King's brother. I guess he felt he didn't need to bother with formalities and simply called for an honor killinhg, well an honor execution.

There are still photos from film made of the execution which found their way to British television news which I saw when I lived there. I appreciate the fact that a documentary of the execution was released later which I could not have seen in the UK as it was released after I no longer lived there. Some of those stills are available on Google images and have been posted previously.
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How your story changes, Steve, yet again... :rolleyes:

SteveGrenard said:
The bottom line Claus is that you claim to be opposed and condmn such barbaric acts of punishment but at the dsame time you continue to dispute fine details of things which actually happened. What exactly is your objective? It seems to me by disputing such details you are trying to discount the notion that such barbaric acts happened.
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"Fine details"? Steve, the Princess execution is one of your pet cases, when you want to point out how barbaric Muslims are. You cried when you saw that beheading, remember?

If you have a case, then you shouldn't have to resort to inventing lie after lie after lie. Once you lie, you weaken your case considerably. When you lie and lie and lie again, even in the face of evidence, you completely destroy any point you might have.

Stop lying, Steve.
 
hgc said:
You don't have to do anything. You like bickering with Steve. You like to pick out inconsequential errors, and call them lies. You share this characteristic with your soulmate, Shane.

Not that I mind. I enjoy your theatrics.
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If you think lies should go unnoticed, then that is your choice. But you might want to check out Steve's history before you go any further.
 
CFLarsen said:
If you think lies should go unnoticed, then that is your choice. But you might want to check out Steve's history before you go any further.
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Yeah, yeah. I know all about it (correction: I don't have a PhD in Grenardology, as you seem to). I pick my battles, as do we all. You just can't credibly claim that you have to do this. Hell, you don't even have to log into the forum at all.
 
Lonewulf said:
Question: Are all Muslim countries truly the same? I find a hard time accepting that you can judge any particular country based on the majority religion or even the state religion.

Are there any Muslim countries that don't reach the spotlight, and aren't as harsh in sentencing/laws/etc.?
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The majority, I think. Saudi would be the most extreme state at the moment, IIRC, with it only being beaten by the Taliban in Afghanistan when they ran the place.

Muslim attitudes towards women in general are not what we westerners would approve up, but they don't go to the extremes of the Saudis, either. Eg, Indonesia, the worlds most populous Islamic state, and Malaysia are nothing like Saud. Saud was engineered by the House of Saud to be an autocratic fundamentalist state to keep the monarchy safe. One of the beliefs of the Wahabists is, conveniently, that you don't question the state or involve yourself in it's politics. Just what a monarchy needs. Not what the people need, though.
 
Lonewulf said:
Question: Are all Muslim countries truly the same? I find a hard time accepting that you can judge any particular country based on the majority religion or even the state religion.

Are there any Muslim countries that don't reach the spotlight, and aren't as harsh in sentencing/laws/etc.?
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Well, for example, the following countries have a large Muslim majority but don't have the death penalty for homosexuality (as in Shari'a law) : Albania, Algeria, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Brunei, Comoros, Djibouti, Egypt, Gambia, Guinea, Indonesia, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Lebanon, Libya, Maldives, Malaysia, Mali, Morocco, Niger, Oman, Palestine, Qatar, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Somalia, Syria, Tajikistan, Turkey, Tunisia, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan.

This isn't a perfect indicator of their attitudes to other aspects of shari'a law, but it turned out to be relatively easy to research.
 
Dr Adequate said:
Well, for example, the following countries have a large Muslim majority but don't have the death penalty for homosexuality (as in Shari'a law) : Albania, Algeria, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Brunei, Comoros, Djibouti, Egypt, Gambia, Guinea, Indonesia, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Lebanon, Libya, Maldives, Malaysia, Mali, Morocco, Niger, Oman, Palestine, Qatar, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Somalia, Syria, Tajikistan, Turkey, Tunisia, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan.
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Thirty five countries? Is that it? :D

That's only slightly less than 15% of total worldwide countries! That's nothin'. ;)
 
Lonewulf said:
Question: Are all Muslim countries truly the same? I find a hard time accepting that you can judge any particular country based on the majority religion or even the state religion.

Are there any Muslim countries that don't reach the spotlight, and aren't as harsh in sentencing/laws/etc.?
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Indonesia. Sometimes, but not always. Although not through lack of effort on behalf of some small radical groups.
 
Random said:
I’m not sure what the problem is. Shariia law states that being a rape victim is punishable by one hundred lashes, but this person is only getting ninety. Isn’t this is a sign that Saudi Arabia is moving in the right direction?
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Once again, from the article in the opening post:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,256980,00.html

Five of the rapists were arrested and given jail terms ranging from 10 months to five years. The prosecutor had asked for the death penalty for the men.

The Saudi justice ministry, however, said rape could not be proved because there were no witnesses and the men had recanted confessions they made during interrogation.

The judges, basing their decision on Islamic law, also decided to sentence the woman and her original blackmailer to lashes for being alone together in his car.
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Rape could not be proved (So what where those arrested jailed for? And why does Fox news call them rapists?)

The woman and her blackmailer were sentenced to be lashed for being alone together. A harsh and daft law.

Sentence has not been carried out yet. Have you written to your political rep and told them to put pressure on the Saudi government to not carry out the punishment?

Or are you going to do nothing?
 
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Sentence has not been carried out yet. Have you written to your political rep and told them to put pressure on the Saudi government to not carry out the punishment?

Or are you going to do nothing?
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You make a good point, I participated in this thread yesterday yet I didn't even bother to send an email to anyone. So this morning I've sent an email to my MP, my MEP, the UK Foreign Office, Downing Street and to the Saudi embassy in the UK.

All of which took me less time then I had already spent reading this thread. (The only thing that took any length of time was finding the email addresses!)

I've done this before i.e. spent time bemoaning and criticising such atrocities and yet never even bothered to take even the smallest action I could. I'm going to try to ensure I don't do that in future.

Of course I don't expect my one email to make a difference but if in EU countries and similar we don't inform our representatives what issues are important to us then they won't have any great incentive to do anything at all.

If you do find the punishment the woman is due to receive abhorrent please contact your own representatives and the local Saudi embassy - I bet it won't take you much longer then reading this post....
 
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