Germany becoming ungovernable, constitutional changes realistic?

Though it seems to fit the Green Party mentality to call people demagogues and racist for no good reason.

And you are the one that stated he is able to differentiate? Just wow.

And no, not BS. We are talking about the election, although we should come back to the original topic. Why else the KAS-paper etc, if we're not talking about the election in Hessen? If you want to talk about Koch, I'm not too interested. :rolleyes:

In this thread, a number of topics has been discussed: Germany ungovernable, why the CDU lost so much, the character traits of Mr. Koch and not only the elections in Hessen and elsewhere.
For someone not too interested in talking about Koch, you talk a lot to defend him.....if I´m not too interested in discussing a topic, I just don´t do it.
 
No. You made the claim, you back it up or you should take it back. To assert that I follow an ideology without being able to even name it is stupid.

Well let's see. You vote the Green Party, dislike the CDU, bring up the NPD frequently.. I'd say some green energy leftist ideology.

Ah, everyone not following the CDU follows an ideology? Is that it?
That´s funny. The reason why I vote green has been told: They smell less than the other turds. How is voting for a party the same as following an ideology?

:rolleyes:

No, it is not. "To rethink" does not automatically mean the same as "to change". And to have support by Nazi-scumbags surely is a reason to rethink one´s position. Da evil joos agree:


But they are also ideology driven, I guess?

Sure they are and don't like the NPD being able to point to Koch and say "See, he's also for it!", thus gaining any legitimacy for themselves, which is understandable. And sure it does mean to change, what else could you have possibly meant with "he should rethink his position"? Come on. :rolleyes:

Oh wait, I guess he should just shut up about the rise in juvenile offenders with certain backgrounds, is that it?

And another week later another 1% down. How does that contradict what I say? Hint: It doesn´t.

I'd say it was first and foremost the negative media coverage that caused this, not his campaign itself. So, yes, in a sense. Even you called him a racist, but sure, go ahead. I don't care.

I did not say landslide loss, stop building strawmen.
Again: With the 40% of the polls before he started the campaign, he would have a majority with the FDP.

I'm not building strawmen, first you blamed the loss of 12% on that one part of his agenda alone. But let's stop splitting hairs. They did not get enough to continue with the FDP, end of story. Whether it was 1% or 3% they lost with the criminal stuff, the negative coverage or not, it's history.

for the gazillionth time: I said it was a poor choice of words. How is that different from taking it back? Don´t be childish.

In any case: What led you to call him a racist without anything to back this statement up? It was the emotional media coverage, wasn't it?

I do maintain it, because that´s what he is, see below.

Some strawmen again:
Show me where I have said "liar for life". Can you?
Show me where I have said he was lying in this campaign. Can you?
I said he is a liar, and I backed it up. Do you admit that?
As for the demagogue part:

or in English:

quotes are from wiki.

I´d say his campaign regarding the foreign youth criminals fits this definition very well.

Oh that's very original now.

Let's see, I can also quote some. Let's split some hairs:

From my Wahrig Deutsches Wörterbuch Ausgabe 1975 said:
Demagoge <urspr.>Volksführer,<heute abwertend> = Volksverführer
Demagogie Aufwiegelung, Volksverführung
demagogisch hetzerisch, die Wahrheit verfälschend

Volksverführer jmd., der durch lügnerische Reden, falsche Versprechungen usw. andere für seine politischen Absichten einnimmt

Start working with material of his campaign if you really want to maintain your statement.

Whom do you vote for, by the way?

Isn't it obvious? NPD. Oh wait, I meant CDU or FDP. Maybe I should rethink my position though, when the CDU gets backed by a puny party like the NPD..

If only the SPD would heed your advice and rethink its position instead of moving further towards The Left Party.. :rolleyes:
 
If Germany is becoming "ungovernable," will it just kind of melt into the EU? Will regions break away, as (evidently) Flemish parts of Belgium, Scotland, and parts of Spain are attempting ?

Right now I'm reading H.Winkler's history of the Weimar republic. I'll start looking for similarities. (Joke.)

You guys have it so easy. I live in New York state. No woman is safe from the depredations of our politicians.
 
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Well let's see. You vote the Green Party,


....and told you that I do that because the smell less than the other turds and not because I think they are brilliant.....but why listen to what I say if that would ruin your idiotic interpretation......

dislike the CDU


...did I really say that? Not following them does not necessarily equal disliking them.....
I said I dislike Koch, not the CDU, right? All of the democratic parties have some points I like, and a lot I don´t like. To chose the party which has more good and less bad points in my opinion is the normal way to go, isn´t it? How are you deciding whom you are voting for? Ideology?


bring up the NPD frequently..


which has to do what with anything? Every voter of a democratic party should be disgusted by them, how is that a sign for following an ideology?


I'd say some green energy leftist ideology.


Wrong. Try again. No, don´t even try. Since I´m not following any ideology, that wouldn´t make sense.....


Sure they are


Now it´s getting interesting. What ideology are the jews following? Care to explain?

and don't like the NPD being able to point to Koch and say "See, he's also for it!", thus gaining any legitimacy for themselves, which is understandable.


......and which is why his campaign was wrong. And applause from the wrong party (the NPD) would not have caused a media stir if it would have been for a different topic like energy politics or whatever bad analogy you used before. He got "beaten up" for handling exactly this topic like the Nazis do, and rightly so. Play with fire, take the risk you get burnt.

And sure it does mean to change, what else could you have possibly meant with "he should rethink his position"? Come on. :rolleyes:


Look it up in a dictionary. That´s not what it means. He could have adressed the problem solution-orientated and not demagogic, do you understand that now? Nobody said that there isn´t a problem.

Oh wait, I guess he should just shut up about the rise in juvenile offenders with certain backgrounds, is that it?


No. But he should have done his homework, you know, like not cutting down police and social workers, instead of playing the demagogue.



I'd say it was first and foremost the negative media coverage that caused this, not his campaign itself. So, yes, in a sense. Even you called him a racist, but sure, go ahead. I don't care.


He got the negative media coverage because he started an idiotic, demagogic campaign. The media would have had nothing bad to report if he had not acted like an idiot.


I'm not building strawmen,


They are still there for everyone to see. Denial does not make them go away.

first you blamed the loss of 12% on that one part of his agenda alone.


Where did I blame the loss of 12 % on that one part?. Show me. Or retract your claim. It´s getting boring.

In any case: What led you to call him a racist without anything to back this statement up? It was the emotional media coverage, wasn't it?


I think it´s clear that he isn´t a friend of immigrants. The choice of words was wrong, I tell you for the last time. After about 5 times, even you should get it.


Oh that's very original now.

Let's see, I can also quote some. Let's split some hairs:

Start working with material of his campaign if you really want to maintain your statement.


I thought you are aware of his campaign? Does locking away 12 year olds solve the problem? Does telling we should lock all criminal foreigner youths away longer solve the problem? And, like "zeeGerman said:

Was it not reckless to "overlook" that those criminal youths are mostly born here in Germany and thus the problem of juvenile crime is not so much about the ethnic origin but the social status of the offender?

Puleaasee........



Isn't it obvious? NPD. Oh wait, I meant CDU or FDP. Maybe I should rethink my position though, when the CDU gets backed by a puny party like the NPD..

If only the SPD would heed your advice and rethink its position instead of moving further towards The Left Party.. :rolleyes:


Sure. You ask me, you get an honest answer. I ask you back, you try to be funny (didn´t work, btw.) and don´t give an answer.
I´m truly impressed.

And you forgot to answer those questions, about your strawmen:

Show me where I have said "liar for life". Can you?
Show me where I have said he was lying in this campaign. Can you?
I said he is a liar, and I backed it up. Do you admit that?
 
Since you're still not using any of his campaign material, I rest my case.

Does locking away 12 year olds solve the problem? Does telling we should lock all criminal foreigner youths away longer solve the problem?

That was part of his campaign, right? You don´t even have a case.
And why are you not adressing all the other parts, you know, all that strawmen stuff? The questions from my last posts? I wonder why. Maybe because you can´t? Maybe because you´d have to admit that I did not say the things you put in my mouth, like you did with zeeGerman? Maybe because you can´t admit that you are wrong? Maybe because you are a coward? I´ll see........
 
That was part of his campaign, right? You don´t even have a case.
And why are you not adressing all the other parts, you know, all that strawmen stuff? The questions from my last posts? I wonder why. Maybe because you can´t? Maybe because you´d have to admit that I did not say the things you put in my mouth, like you did with zeeGerman? Maybe because you can´t admit that you are wrong? Maybe because you are a coward? I´ll see........

Maybe because you're just ****ing annoying with your dissecting one-liners and cocky attitude. And yea, why not lock some failed 12 year olds away when everything else has failed and they can't get it right? You can deport them to Siberia for all I care.
 
Maybe because you're just ****ing annoying with your dissecting one-liners and cocky attitude.


The usual excuse from people who are not able to answer direct questions, support their claims and admit that they are wrong.
What a surprise........
If you have problems with me or anybody else dissecting your claims and statements, then don´t make any. Someone should have told you that this is going to happen on this forum. If you don´t want to be attacked by me, stop lying about what I wrote and stop making statements about what I think and which ideology I am following, without having any clue and without being able to back it up. It´s that easy.

And yea, why not lock some failed 12 year olds away when everything else has failed and they can't get it right? You can deport them to Siberia for all I care.


Maybe because jail is exactly the wrong thing to get 12 year olds back on the right track again? Regarding the bolded part, you were the one that said:


I can't hear this crap about "Germans have to do more for their integration" anymore, in case you're going to come up with that.


That does not sound exactly like you´d be willing to try out "everything else" before locking the kids up, does it?
But it certainly makes you look like a hypocrite.........
 
As a related sidequestion: Wann sind eigentlich Wahlen? :confused:
 
As a related sidequestion: Wann sind eigentlich Wahlen? :confused:
Hey Oliver, here is a thread in which you can advocate that Germany quit using the worthless Euro (a counterfeit fiat currency) and start using a Deutschmark backed by gold.

/derail

I think it's time you Germans admit the whole nation thing is a failure, and should split into city-states and principalities as it was for most of its history... ;)

Oh, and thanks for the work Baron von Steuben did with Washington's Continental Army! Not so happy with the Hessians though...
 
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Hey Oliver, here is a thread in which you can advocate that Germany quit using the worthless Euro (a counterfeit fiat currency) and start using a Deutschmark backed by gold.

/derail

Technically, it would be going back to gold backing. The German Empire had that until sometime during WW1; in fact I think they only introduced paper money in the 1880´s or 1890´s.

I think it's time you Germans admit the whole nation thing is a failure, and should split into city-states and principalities as it was for most of its history... ;)

If that means we get rid of those Bavarians and I no longer have to admit being from the same country as the pope, I´m all for it.:) No longer being in the same country as Oliver would also be a nice side benefit. :D

Oh, and thanks for the work Baron von Steuben did with Washington's Continental Army! Not so happy with the Hessians though...

No picking and choosing. We´re a package deal.
 
If Germany is becoming "ungovernable," will it just kind of melt into the EU? Will regions break away, as (evidently) Flemish parts of Belgium, Scotland, and parts of Spain are attempting ?

Right now I'm reading H.Winkler's history of the Weimar republic. I'll start looking for similarities. (Joke.)

You guys have it so easy. I live in New York state. No woman is safe from the depredations of our politicians.

Hey, the Bavarians have never really liked the Prussians much.
Maybe it will got back to the way it was up until the 18th century, dozens of small jealous,squabbling principalaties.
 

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