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German Holocaust Denier gets 5 Years

Mondial said:
I find it incredible that people who claim to be skeptics/freethinkers/atheists will suspend their critical faculties when it comes to holocaust survivors and the holocaust story in general.
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What type of statement is that?

You have two eyes. Shall we discuss that for the next 50
years that you probably have 3 eyes? The Holocaust is
no question and i give a **** if there died 5,000,000 or
5,000,001 people. I AM GERMAN - and i accepted it the
way i SAW it in many pictures and videos. It does not
change anything to discuss it.

Why are Americans talking about that type of Hoax-Sh**???

Watch this one and tell me it's fake:

 
It's too bad we attract this nutbars here. But at least we keep them away from the rest of the world, so I guess that's one good thing.

You guys really need to find a functional brain. I bet if you all combined your entire intellect, it would add up to a Cocker Spaniel, albiet a dull-witted one.
 
Questioninggeller said:
Americans? This thread is about a German sentenced in Germany. Or others about a Briton in Austria.

You clearly do not want Holocaust denial discussed, but that doesn't mean you should generalize this to one country or attack the threads that discuss this.
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I have no problem to discuss the Holocaust if we are
talking about facts instead talking about bullcrap. The
laws make sense to me. It's slander - a very common
thing in western law.

Ever heard the term "slander"?

What's your problem?

Are you german or jewish?
 
Questioninggeller said:
My problem is that you routinely do this in the threads.
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No, your problem exited before you even met me. So
what's the point? What exactly doesn't fit in your mind?

Is it the "1 million, 6 milllion or maybe 10 million" discussion?
Is it the "Was ZyklonB used at all" issue?

What is your point?
 
Oliver said:
No, your problem exited before you even met me. So
what's the point? What exactly doesn't fit in your mind?

Is it the "1 million, 6 milllion or maybe 10 million" discussion?
Is it the "Was ZyklonB used at all" issue?

What is your point?
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I am not denying the Holocaust. You should take a deep breath and re-read my posts.
 
Oliver said:
No, it is not a conspiracy. Why do you think it is one?
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Holocaust denialists believe it is:

that the Holocaust is a hoax arising out of a deliberate Jewish conspiracy to advance the interest of Jews at the expense of other peoples. For this reason, Holocaust denial is generally considered an antisemitic conspiracy theory.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial

If you notice this sections top threads are about 9/11 conspiracy theories:

The theories typically include suggestions that individuals in (or associated with) the government of the United States knew of the impending attacks and refused to act on that knowledge, or that the attacks were a false flag operation carried out with the intention of stirring up the passions and buying the allegiance of the American people.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theory

I'm not going to be rude, but it is clear you don't understand what this forum is about and/or you have problems fully understanding English.

Things related to purported conspiracy theories are posted here. That doesn't make them true or not.
 
Questioninggeller said:
Holocaust denialists believe it is:

If you notice this sections top threads are about 9/11 conspiracy theories:

I'm not going to be rude, but it is clear you don't understand what this forum is about and/or you have problems fully understanding English.

Things related to purported conspiracy theories are posted here. That doesn't make them true or not.
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A guy goes to jail because a legal law = political/social issue,
no matter why he was sentenced. This is the main point of
this thread, isn't it?
 
Sorry, D-minus.....

Mondial said:
Do you think that because someone was in a concentration camp and is a holocaust survivor that this means they are some kind of saint and never tell lies and don't have an axe to grind and cannot be questioned? In a truly democratic society no one should be above question!
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Nobody's saying the Holocaust can't be questioned...what the German law is designed to do is to prevent racial incitement being used to repeat the Holocaust again. And I've already said I don't think such laws are a good idea, but Germany has a different situation, as the birthplace of Nazism.

And I find it pretty hilarious how you turn the victim into the villain. I guess you think that if a girl gets raped, it's her fault that she wore a low-cut blouse that day or went running in sweats.
 
It is undeniable that some holocaust deniers and some 9/11 deniers are in bed together. That's not to say that all troofers are holocaust deniers, but the 9/11 Truthiness Movement doesn't do itself any favours by welcoming and encouraging anti-semites. The Troofer Movement has so little support among rational people that it embraces any crazy group that purports to support its nuttiness, and it doesn't care that that means embracing holocaust deniers.

Pretty sad, really.
 
In the 1920's and 30's a political party arose in Germany that promised a bright future for the crippled nation. However that future quickly became dark, as dissenting voices were silenced.

"Inciting unrest"
"Inciting civil disobedience"
"Inciting riots"

They had all sorts of fancy names for it.

But after a while they stopped their reasonable titles, and just locked up, rounded up, beat, shot, anyone they didn't like. And then they started a war.

For six years the free nations of the world bled and fought to defeat that evil ideology, and we did beat it. We liberated Germany from itself, and set them on a new path.

Now, 60 years later, they still haven't got a grip on "freedom". You cannot oppress the voices of the minorities, and claim the title "free". You cannot jail dissenting ideas, and claim you are free. You cannot suppress different thoughts.

Jailing a person for their beliefs and their words is wrong. It violates the basic principles of free society.

The man is a twisted moron. He is utterly wrong, sickeningly so.

But shame on Germany for their actions.

-Gumboot
 
gumboot said:
Jailing a person for their beliefs and their words is wrong. It violates the basic principles of free society.
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You only have the right to those beliefs up until the moment you act, or incite others to act, illegally. There can never be any excuse for those who seek to incite religious or racial hatred. I have absolutely no problem at all with European laws in this respect.
 
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