George Zimmerman shot

lionking said:
You missed the smilie.

George was reportedly waving a gun. I've lost count the number of times various gun enthusiasts have proclaimed an action like this as justification for killing someone. A victim doesn't wave a gun at someone. An idiot does.
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Molinaro said:
The CNN story quotes the shooter as saying that this was the 3rd time he was in an argument with Zim. Zim waved a gun at him, so he quickly took out his gun and shot Zim.
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I haven't seen that GZ was waving a gun this time, just that he had previously. It'll be interesting to see if the cops found a gun on Z or in his car.
 
In the picture of Zimmy's truck on the wrecker, I count two bullet holes. One thriugh the window and one further down that appears to have travelled at an angle hitting the front edge of the rear door and the rear edge of the front door.
 
Yeah, it must suck for all the gun owners who held 'ol Georgie is such high regard to find out he's just a garden variety gun-owning idiot.

Oh well.
 
I have no problem believing the dynamic between Zimmerman and Apperson is one of mutual idiocy, and anyone doubting the strong possibility of idiocy on Apperson's part here must not be aware of the level of weird obsession many have toward GZ. There's a whole subculture out there of crazy conspiracy theories about him and people drawn to seek and confront him like they think they're knights and he's a dragon or something. So who knows which side is being more idiotic, confrontational, and aggressive? I wouldn't want to place a bet on it, though I certainly acknowledge GZ has shown his bad judgment and hotheadedness conclusively at this point. How much of that was present prior to the ordeal he went through is another matter.

My main feeling every time a story like this comes out is just utter bafflement that he is still living in that same area, driving that same truck.

I think he's adamant about showing he won't be run off. He will greatly regret that stubbornness. I would've been in Alaska within days of the not guilty verdict, personally.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
There's a whole subculture out there of crazy conspiracy theories about him and people drawn to seek and confront him like they think they're knights and he's a dragon or something.
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There is? Zimmerman was acquitted almost two years ago. Can you cite one factual example of someone seeking him out and confronting him since then?
 
johnny karate said:
There is? Zimmerman was acquitted almost two years ago. Can you cite one factual example of someone seeking him out and confronting him since then?
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I'm referring to some Facebook groups and Twitter crews who engage in wild, endless, obsessive focus on Zimmerman and neighbors / witnesses they believe were accomplices in the Trayvon shooting.

These people continue, to this day, to have this weird obsession and try to insert themselves in this story. Most of my awareness of this is due to a few people I know who actively seek to mock and argue with these folks, which I consider to be very stupid in itself, as I've told them. The result for them has been predictable, in that they have become Zimmerman surrogates in these people's minds and have been stalked, harassed, called in the wee hours, had their employers called, etc.

How many of them have gone to the area GZ lives in? I know a few have, though I am unaware of whether they sought direct contact with Zimmerman himself or not, and whether they had any such contact.

All I'm saying is that I've seen enough of their posts, seen enough of their videos, etc. for me to be convinced that there are some weirdly obsessed people out there focused on GZ and viewing him as their White-Hispanic Whale.

Perhaps none of them will ever do anything directly, and perhaps Apperson doesn't fit this description perfectly and is his own case, maybe even he's in the right more than GZ is in their ongoing conflict.

I'm just saying I wouldn't allow my location and vehicle to remain constant and known if I were him, based on what I've seen. I wouldn't even if I hadn't seen it.
 
crescent said:
It seems like both parties in this are hyper-confrontational gun nuts.

I guess an armed society is not always a polite society.
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It just takes some time, given enough bodies society will be polite, and it is worth the collateral damage.
 
Belz... said:
Is there any doubt ?
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Of course, because in every case of Zimmerman involved in an altercation whether it's Trayvon or anything since, there's always indications of mutual dysfunction and mutual provocation.

If Zimmerman is the sort of person you think he is, what does it say about anyone who is consistently associating or interacting with him?

Does a woman who would sleep and live with him sound like someone who is squared away mentally? Especially post-pariah status?

Does a man who has a standing fued with him where both are packing heat sound like a perfect moral agent in the equation?

Trash tends to hang with trash.
 
newyorkguy said:
USA Today reports:



Let's see, Zimmerman is 31-years-old. What is the Vegas over/under on him making 40? Anybody know?
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I have no idea and it doesn't matter to me.

I've had all my disposable income riding on Keith Richards since 1987.

Any day now.....
 
Skeptic Tank said:
Of course, because in every case of Zimmerman involved in an altercation whether it's Trayvon or anything since, there's always indications of mutual dysfunction and mutual provocation.
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And yet there's a common factor in all of them, isn't there ?

If Zimmerman is the sort of person you think he is, what does it say about anyone who is consistently associating or interacting with him?
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Not much, actually.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
<snipped irrelevant blather attempting to draw a correlation between online behavior and real-life behavior>
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You made a specific claim, and I'd like to see you substantiate it.

Since his acquittal, when has anyone sought out and confronted George Zimmerman?
 
Molinaro said:
The CNN story quotes the shooter as saying that this was the 3rd time he was in an argument with Zim. Zim waved a gun at him, so he quickly took out his gun and shot Zim.
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Interesting to see people leaping on that is likely hearsay, the person that claimed this didn't actually see it, but went off Apperson's claim of what happened. GZ's lawyer is saying something totally different...

But West, Zimmerman's lawyer, denied that his client waved a gun. "George absolutely denies pointing a gun, displaying a gun -- no aggressive movement toward him at all," West said.
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I'm going to wait for the investigation and evidence before condemning one or the other, or both...
 
Why all the hate?
Cuddly George has gone through a torrid time these last few years. If you were wrongly accused of murder, acquitted, having to suffer a torrent of online abuse and assassination attempts, maybe you'd be more sympathetic.

Haters gonna hate I suppose.






Disclaimer: my true thoughts may be diametrically opposed to the musings above.
 
welshdean said:
Why all the hate?
Cuddly George has gone through a torrid time these last few years. If you were wrongly accused of murder, acquitted, having to suffer a torrent of online abuse and assassination attempts, maybe you'd be more sympathetic.

Haters gonna hate I suppose.
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The hate is because we are convinced that George Zimmerman murdered Trayvon Martin, and are incensed that he was somehow acquitted of that charge.

We hope our offended sensibilities will be soothed at least a little by some happenstance combination of events, that will align to give us closure through ersatz justice--some grave misfortune that is unconnected in any meaningful way to the Martin case, but still satisfies our sense of what Zimmerman deserves.

There is also a measure of schadenfreude that we enjoy upon receiving news of each new unpleasantness that befalls him.

And of course there is the need to find stories about him that appear to vindicate those of us who insist that he is exactly the kind of violent thug who would murder someone in cold blood.

Disclaimer: my true thoughts may be diametrically opposed to the musings above.
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So say we all.
 
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