George Will hates America

Mycroft said:
Many of the "skeptical" liberals here have abandoned arguing with actual people and instead confront Steven Colberts parody of conservatism from Comedy Central's "The Colbert Report."

You must agree it's much easier than debating real ideas with real people.
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Bingo. Bear in mind a lot of people get their news from the Daily Show.
 
JLam said:
Well, he MUST hate America, because he's criticizing Republicans.


Wait...he IS a Republican! Huh?

I'm so confused.
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I happen to agree with Will's assessment. The Bush administration was over the top in pork spending and I think there should be term limits on congress.
So far, I only hear criticisms like this from conservatives. The "left" seems to want to rail on about supposed loss of constitutional freedom, abortion and the Iraq war.
 
There seems to be a real macho problem on the right-wing. The second a conservative starts to break ranks(like McCain), their own pundits will use a sort of peer-pressure, making it seem as though they are "losing heart". What needs to happen is a bigger rebellion in the Republican party that can't be explained away by pundits* and their media machine. Otherwise they might as well just all march in lockstep.


*Another solution to the pundit problem is my proposal that involves putting them in a massive dome-like complex with an artificial battlefield littered with crude weapons- forcing them to battle to the death. Beheading Charles Krauthammer or Adam Corolla(not a pundit but he's still going to be in there) would allow the beheader to leave the dome early.
 
peptoabysmal said:
I happen to agree with Will's assessment. The Bush administration was over the top in pork spending and I think there should be term limits on congress.
So far, I only hear criticisms like this from conservatives. The "left" seems to want to rail on about supposed loss of constitutional freedom, abortion and the Iraq war.
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Bingo! It's all Iraq all the time. When you try to talk about something that's not Iraq, they even try to tie it into Iraq somehow.
 
Mycroft said:
Bingo! It's all Iraq all the time. When you try to talk about something that's not Iraq, they even try to tie it into Iraq somehow.
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You know since it's been a while since the US just invaded an conquered a country without pretense it might be a good idea to focus on Iraq for a while until we finally get some accountability for what has happened. That might be a bit more important than the fate of Terri Schiavo, steroid use in baseball, and even justice nominees.

When a president decides to embark on a Global War on Terror with no end in sight and no clearly defined or attainable objective(you can't even wage war on terror since "terror" is actually a tactic of insurgencies), and then he invades Iraq claiming that this is somehow part of that war on terror, it might be time to focus in on said president with laser-like precision and figure out just WTF is going on here.
 
RandFan said:
:D Was that intentional Zero? Come on, did Mycroft pay you?
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Ok you do realize that the US invaded a country and killed an indeterminate number of civilians, destabilized a problematic region, and have seriously damaged the credibility of our nation right? You don't think that is a pressing issue? Do you realize that this is something of a serious problem?

America's place in the world is not protected by some divine providence; it is based on historical and human factors. Engaging in a poorly-defined, strategically impossible "Global War on Terror" is just the type of thing that can knock a superpower down a few pegs, from a first world country to second- and after that possibly a third.
 
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CBL4 said:
I do not particular like Will's viewpoint nor do I think he is particularly insiteful.
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Pointing out that this completely Republican-controlled government is spending money faster than the Democrats before it (and pointing out how bad this is to the people is what helped get Republicans elected), and is spending more money per capita than ever before, except 1942, a year in which America was engaged in a 2-front world war, and building one major warship a week is not insightful?
 
Year Zero said:
Ok you do realize that the US invaded a country and killed an indeterminate number of civilians, destabilized a problematic region, and have seriously damaged the credibility of our nation right? You don't think that is a pressing issue? Do you realize that this is something of a serious problem?

America's place in the world is not protected by some divine providence; it is based on historical and human factors. Engaging in a poorly-defined, strategically impossible "Global War on Terror" is just the type of thing that can knock a superpower down a few pegs,
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So far so good, I'm listening.

from a first world country to second- and after that possibly a third.
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Meh, you lost me. :rolleyes:
 
Beerina said:
So far so good, I'm listening.



Meh, you lost me. :rolleyes:
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You were not aware that a country's economic power can decline after a series of boneheaded mistakes involving billions of dollars, military conflict, and leadership?
 
Mycroft said:
Many of the "skeptical" liberals here have abandoned arguing with actual people and instead confront Steven Colberts parody of conservatism from Comedy Central's "The Colbert Report."

You must agree it's much easier than debating real ideas with real people.
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Really? Who? And on what threads did they do this?

Or are you just being a typical conservative with this?

(I see DavidJames already asked this...Freakshow's defense of this comment was weak to say the very least.)
 
Regnad Kcin said:
Mr. Will does not always criticize Republicans nor take sides with Democrats when it might be appropriate to do either. He has his agenda just like any other commentator. That he, er, will take on an issue doesn't mean he's always Mr. Fair-minded.
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Perhaps not, but it does suggest that he is willing to be independantly minded.*



* again, my opinion is based on a very small sample size.
 
Year Zero said:
Ok you do realize that the US invaded a country and killed an indeterminate number of civilians, destabilized a problematic region, and have seriously damaged the credibility of our nation right?
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Ok, you do realize that isn't the subject of the thread and that you are proving Mycroft's point?

Search this forum for my Nic and Iraq and I'm sure you'll find my opinion on the matter.
 
Year Zero said:
You were not aware that a country's economic power can decline after a series of boneheaded mistakes involving billions of dollars, military conflict, and leadership?
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I suspect that Beerina knows what first, second, and third world means, and you 'lost' her when you showed that you did not.

To suggest that the US will become a 'second world' country reveals a pretty profound ignorance of what 'second world' means.
 
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