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p0lka said:
They can add and amend, then it's sent back.
The gov can choose to accept the changes, or ping pong it and choose not.

At no point are the house of lord, lawmakers.
As you said they can amend,
It seems they can suggest, but they can't make laws.
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Yes they can, bills can be started in HoL.

And no the government can’t simply ignore the HoL, remember our government doesn’t pass any laws, that is a power reserved for the two houses.

From Parliament’s own website “What the Lords does”

...snip... The Lords shares the task of making and shaping laws ...snip...
 
Correction, I detest all Tory cabinet ministers, every single one.

Sajid Javid tweeted
@sajidjavid
The Left really, really do detest ethnic-minority Tory Cabinet ministers.
 
Darat said:
Yes they can, bills can be started in HoL.

And no the government can’t simply ignore the HoL, remember our government doesn’t pass any laws, that is a power reserved for the two houses.

From Parliament’s own website “What the Lords does”

...snip... The Lords shares the task of making and shaping laws ...snip...
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I never said the gov can ignore the hol, i said ping pong would happen to get whatever through.

gov reserves the right to ignore hol and push it through in the next session and hol has to accept it.
hol aint lawmakers.
 
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p0lka said:
I never said the gov can ignore the hol, i said ping pong would happen to get whatever through.

gov reserves the right to ignore hol and push it through in the next session and hol has to accept it.
hol aint lawmakers.
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Take it up with Parliament and tell them their websites have published incorrect information. :rolleyes:
 
p0lka said:
I never said the gov can ignore the hol, i said ping pong would happen to get whatever through.

gov reserves the right to ignore hol and push it through in the next session and hol has to accept it.
hol aint lawmakers.
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I think if you are to follow that logic, until bills get royal assent they don't come into force. The queen is therefire the only law maker.
 
Westminster voting intention:

CON: 40% (+1)
LAB: 39% (+1)
LDEM: 7% (+1)
GRN: 5% (-1)
BREX: 3% (-2)

via @YouGov, 21 - 22 Oct
Chgs. w/ 15 Oct
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Westminster voting intention:

CON: 40% (+1)
LAB: 39% (+1)
LDEM: 7% (+1)
GRN: 5% (-1)
BREX: 3% (-2)

via @YouGov, 21 - 22 Oct
Chgs. w/ 15 Oct
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Given how badly the government have handled Covid-19 and Brexit, it's astonishing to me that the Conservatives are still leading the polls. :confused:
 
The Don said:
Given how badly the government have handled Covid-19 and Brexit, it's astonishing to me that the Conservatives are still leading the polls. :confused:
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As with US Republicans there are a hard core who'll vote for "their" party regardless of what they do.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Correction, I detest all Tory cabinet ministers, every single one.

Sajid Javid tweeted
@sajidjavid
The Left really, really do detest ethnic-minority Tory Cabinet ministers.
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It's not just cabinet ministers (of whatever ethnicity)...MPs, party employees... As long as they carry on doing what they do and saying what they say...
 
The Don said:
Given how badly the government have handled Covid-19 and Brexit, it's astonishing to me that the Conservatives are still leading the polls. :confused:
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My next-door neighbour (who did vote for Anne-Marie Trevelyan...) still thinks Johnson is doing a good job.

I've been amazed since Trevelyan first appeared as our Tory PPC that anyone could vote for her, but they've elected her as our MP 3 times now...

OK, the Lib Dem vote here collapsed in 2015 after Clegg lied to us in 2010...And our Labour PPC managed to annoy many of us round here, where he is our county councillor, by being less than honest over certain planning issues...But still...Anne-Marie Trevelyan?
 
Darat said:
Take it up with Parliament and tell them their websites have published incorrect information. :rolleyes:
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As you were linking to parliament websites, I had a look

https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/laws/passage-bill/lords/lrds-consideration-of-amendments/

That literally states what I said, and I swear they've nicked my ping pong analogy haha.

note this
In exceptional cases, when the two Houses do not reach agreement, the bill falls. If certain conditions are met, the Commons can use the Parliament Acts to pass the bill, without the consent of the Lords, in the following session.
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the :rolleyes I don't get, hope it made you feel better.
 
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Darat said:
Which has nothing to do with your claim.
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eh, what claim did I make? I would really like you to point me to it please.

from my point of view I'm calling out claims that the hol can make laws like the vatican and iran.

as I linked above, the house of lords can be ignored using parliament acts by the gov.

Darat said:
Yes they can, bills can be started in HoL.

And no the government can’t simply ignore the HoL, remember our government doesn’t pass any laws, that is a power reserved for the two houses.
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this was your claim..

EDIT: hm i've been interchanging gov for commons, sorry. The point still stands.
 
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p0lka said:
eh, what claim did I make? I would really like you to point me to it please.

from my point of view I'm calling out claims that the hol can make laws like the vatican and iran.

as I linked above, the house of lords can be ignored using parliament acts by the gov.


this was your claim..

EDIT: hm i've been interchanging gov for commons, sorry. The point still stands.
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"hol aint lawmakers."
 
Amazing. :confused:

The traditional Labour constituencies which switched to the Conservatives think that Boris Johnson and his government are doing a great job - or at least that's what the BBC are reporting.

Looking back, he said Mr Johnson had "had the toughest year possible" trying to tackle coronavirus, and that therefore he was "going to get it wrong".

"But I defy anybody to get what we've just been through right," he added.
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Mike, who's chairman of the Grimsby Fish Merchants Association, also met the prime minister at the fish market last December.

He says he was impressed by what he described as Mr Johnson's "passion" for the industry, and he still backs him now.

"I seriously still have belief in Boris Johnson," he said. "I do believe that Boris is the right man for the job. And I can't look at the present moment in time and think: who's going to replace him?"
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Nicola Maasdam, who runs a gift shop, is broadly reassured by the government's efforts.

"I think [Johnson] has done the best with what is a completely unprecedented situation. We've never been in a situation like that in living history.

"And what could they do? I think they've taken the advice that they could take, and have done a pretty good job. There's always things that they could do better."
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54721183

I guess people like a toff and don't mind billions being squandered and funnelled into the pockets of Boris Johnson's mates :mad:

Quite frankly, I'm not going to shed a tear for them when it goes horribly wrong for them. They've made their beds, and they're doubling down. ****-em :mad:
 
MP Greg Smith voted no to feeding hungry children in the holidays. Small businesses near him like the Curiositea Tea room stepped up to feed them instead.
Then the agent of said MP asks if Greg can have a press visit to the Tea Shop and other businesses and hand out some of their free food.

Guess what the reply was.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
MP Greg Smith voted no to feeding hungry children in the holidays. Small businesses near him like the Curiositea Tea room stepped up to feed them instead.
Then the agent of said MP asks if Greg can have a press visit to the Tea Shop and other businesses and hand out some of their free food.

Guess what the reply was.
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Oh, I would have certainly had him along.

I would also have made sure that there were plenty of people there to ask him why he voted the way he voted and why he was now trying to give the impression that he was on board with feeding children in the holidays.

Ideally I'd have some high profile people along to ask said questions.
 
"Jeremy Corbyn suspended from Labour party after EHRC antisemitism report comments

Angela Rayner, Labour’s deputy leader, who was promoted to the shadow cabinet under Corbyn, said the former party leader had “ an absolute blind spot” on appreciating the scale of the problem.

Asked by BBC Radio 4 about Corbyn’s suspension, she said: “I’m devastated that it’s come to this. Today should be about really listening, reading and taking in the report.”

Asked about Corbyn’s response, she said: “I’m deeply, deeply upset by the circumstances, and upset that Jeremy wasn’t able to see the pain that the Jewish community have gone through.

Jeremy Corbyn said he will “strongly contest the political intervention to suspend me” from the party.

Corbyn has been suspended from the party after the human rights watchdog found it broke equality law in its handling of antisemitism.

Corbyn rejected some of the report’s findings and claimed the issue had been “dramatically overstated for political reasons” by his critics.

A Labour party spokesman said: “In light of his comments made today and his failure to retract them subsequently, the Labour party has suspended Jeremy Corbyn pending investigation.

“He has also had the whip removed from the parliamentary Labour party.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...o-publish-report-into-labour-and-antisemitism
 
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