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Cont: General UK Politics III - Dumb and Dumber

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Vixen said:
Throwing out EU-based laws is really stupid IMV as the laws were perfectly sound and voted through democratically by, er....the government.
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Most of the ones that were implemented as UK legislation will have been Statutory Instruments made under section 2(2) of the European Communities Act 1972 so won’t generally have needed a vote. And EU regulations generally had direct effect without needing national implementation.


 
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Darat said:
Problem for them is what I commented on a decade ago, there isn't any fat to get rid of, we've been cutting out muscles to make "efficency " savings for the last 12 years , indeed I've said before we've been cutting bones out.
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And the pandering to the simplistic idea that the only costs are those that are immediately visible - so the impact of adding bureaucracy and administration (despite their complaints about bureaucracy) are completely ignored.
 
Worm said:
Yep, Truss walking back the regional pay thing, claiming she's been 'misrepresented', when all people are doing is quoting her own press release.

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Whiplash levels of U-turn there.
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If others misrepresented her, the remedy is to correct the record and make clear exactly what her policy is. It is not to ditch a brilliant idea that would turn around the fortunes of the UK. Unless.......
 
Lothian said:
If others misrepresented her, the remedy is to correct the record and make clear exactly what her policy is. It is not to ditch a brilliant idea that would turn around the fortunes of the UK. Unless.......
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SO UK politicians are just like US politicians...every time a policy proposol blows up in their face, they have been "misundertood" or "taken out of context".
 
Mojo said:
Most of the ones that were implemented as UK legislation will have been Statutory Instruments made under section 2(2) of the European Communities Act 1972 so won’t generally have needed a vote. And EU regulations generally had direct effect without needing national implementation.
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Let's be clear. Truss is referring specifically to the UK Acts of Parliament albeit predicated on EU law, itself heavily influenced by the UK (I believe Boris Johnson's grandparent actually wrote some of these up as a Brussels bod), namely the Human Rights Act and the Equality Act, as if they have been imposed on us unwillingly. She wants to get rid of workers rights and those bleedin' elf and safety acts which unreasonably prevents teachers from taking kids deep sea rafting for white sharks and character building'em. Truss is following the ERG script led by JRM. They are not talking about EU standards about the dimensions of nuts and bolts, except maybe doing away with pesky metrics and then there are those awful food standards stopping our brave entrepreneurs (a French word we need to get rid of by the way) from using sunset orange in Smarties. Let's get rid of all this EU crap and bring back common sense!
 
jimbob said:
And the pandering to the simplistic idea that the only costs are those that are immediately visible - so the impact of adding bureaucracy and administration (despite their complaints about bureaucracy) are completely ignored.
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Quite: start Carrot Flower Queen running on how to set up, run, repair, modify with every daft change some manager or politician invents for no reason, keep up with tax and NI changes and...and...and...any large scale computerised payroll system, like the NHS one, all while using IT technology which is several years out of date, won't be replaced, just bodged, which will not keep up withh the memory and speed demands made on it when it is pushed into doing more and more and what the costs and consequences of that are...How long have you got?

Especially when the politicians and their stooges at Quarry House ****** up their best chance at simplifying and streamlining, thus making it cheaper to run, NHS payroll and HR by botching the implementation of Agenda for Change nearly 20 years ago.
 
dudalb said:
SO UK politicians are just like US politicians...every time a policy proposol blows up in their face, they have been "misundertood" or "taken out of context".
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No - it's US politicians that are like UK politicians. ;)
 
Meanwhile, we have a strong entry in today's "Who is the Stupidest Tory?" competition from Brandon Lewis, who is a serial winner of this competition, with this gem - https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ucing-pay-of-public-sector-workers-says-lewis

Seriously, Brandon, where was that £8.8 billion per year saving coming from without reductions in pay?

My Hanlon's Razor is getting pretty knackered cutting through all this nonsense, to the point that I am wondering which is stupidity and what is malice, bearing in mind that the 2 are not mutually exclusive...
 
Adam Bienkov tweets

Biggest interest rate rise for 25 years, energy bills through the roof, and the Bank of England say we're heading for a deep recession within months.

Meanwhile the PM has disappeared on holiday while his successors talk about 'woke' diversity training and gender neutral toilets.
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It's a good job we let Johnson go up in that ******* Typhoon
 
Just read a good funny from Have I Got News -

New series of Big Brother receives 50 million applications after producers confirm that the house will have food and central heating.
 
Inflation is spiralling out of control.

The economy is likely to slip into recession later this year.

People are getting poorer.

The NHS is prostrate.

Strikes are affecting the majority of people.

And yet somehow none of this is the government's fault. The economic woes are all down to the governor of the Bank of England and the rest is down to unions and The Labour Party. :confused:

Meanwhile, the triple lock means that the blue rinse brigade will be relatively OK.
 
https://twitter.com/NewStatesman/status/1555476253045673987?s=20&t=obZeHYFi2Z3mQ_a51PkIEg

EXCLUSIVE: In a leaked video, Rishi Sunak boasted to Conservative Party members that he was prepared to take public money out of “deprived urban areas” to help wealthy towns.

@REWearmouth
reports:
https://t.co/uZMpjKm6rG
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Not a fluffing of his lines but saying that he altered the funding formula "inherited from Labour" that put a load of funding "into deprived urban areas" which he was boasting about undoing
 
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jimbob said:
https://twitter.com/NewStatesman/status/1555476253045673987?s=20&t=obZeHYFi2Z3mQ_a51PkIEg



Not a fluffing of his lines but saying that he altered the funding formula "inherited from Labour" that put a load of funding "into deprived urban areas" which he was boasting about undoing
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Nessie said:
Sunak boasts to Tories in Tumbridge Wells how he has reversed Labour's policy "that shoved all the funding into deprived urban areas" so that wealthy areas could get at the funding as well. So much for levelling up.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politi...rishi-sunak-taking-money-deprived-urban-areas

There is a paywall, so it is not clear when Sunak said that, but you can see the video of him saying it.
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He's Lawful Evil, not Stupid Evil like Truss
 
Aaaaah, nevermind, there is always a useful idiot like Richard Holden (C, NW Durham - which includes such prosperous towns as Consett and Willington...) toclaim that Sunak is right...

Holden, another one of those who has never had a job outside of working for a political party...Oh, sorry he worked as a waiter for a short time...
 
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