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AIUI his dad was actually a lorry driver... or something.

Absolutely, his father was a member of the lower orders.....

William Rees-Mogg was born in 1928 in Bristol, England, into a middle-class family, the son of Edmund Fletcher Rees-Mogg (1889–1962) of Cholwell House[1] in the parish of Cameley in Somerset, an Anglican by Christian denomination, and his Irish American Catholic wife, Beatrice Warren, a daughter of Daniel Warren of New York. William Rees-Mogg was raised in the Roman Catholic faith.

He was educated at Clifton College Preparatory School in Bristol and Charterhouse in Godalming, where he was Head of School.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Rees-Mogg

Truly a horny-handed son of the soil :rolleyes:
 
Absolutely, his father was a member of the lower orders.....



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Rees-Mogg

Truly a horny-handed son of the soil :rolleyes:

From the GRUANIAD:

The MP’s grandfather worked as a dairyman and lorry driver, but this does not fit his carefully cultivated public image


<snip>

So far as I can tell, the leader of the House of Commons and lord president of the council rarely mentions this side of his ancestry. Not, I suspect, because he’s ashamed of it – a lorry driver’s rise to town mayor perfectly illustrates the Tory faith in individual enterprise – but because it doesn’t fit the caricature he has made of himself. The top hat, the tailcoat, the waistcoat, the striped trousers, the white tie, the six elaborately named children (one of them Alfred Wulfric Leyson Pius), the drawl, the languor: matched with a grandad who drove a lorry, such a creation becomes a pitiable mountebank, Alfred Doolittle dressed for a wedding, rather than the courtly eccentric, the “honourable member for the 18th century”, which is how Rees-Mogg likes to present himself.


Maternal side:

Gillian was born here in 1939, with her father’s occupation described as “motor lorry driver” in the register. But he got on. He became a car salesman for an Austin dealership, joined the Conservative party, won a seat on St Pancras council and eventually served a year as its mayor, by which time the family had moved a few hundred yards from Birkenhead Street to a flat in Queen Alexandra Mansions, a giant slab of Edwardian red brick behind St Pancras town hall.


Paternal side:

His paternal forebears are a greater support, having lived in large stone houses that, though no longer in Rees-Mogg ownership, still stand and bear names. The manor at Farrington Gurney, Cholwell House at Temple Cloud, Ston Easton Park (“exceptionally sumptuous” – Nikolaus Pevsner) near Bath – a train of Somerset dwellings that began in the 17th century

Rees-Mogg's wife is a lot posher.
 
Just a FYI - time travel has not yet been invented: Grandfather does not equal Father

Maybe, but grandparents are still close family. Next time Rees-Mogg does his la-di-da act picture him as a drayman in fancy dress costume.

This week, walking around the streets of King’s Cross to see where his grandparents had lived, I began to hum the old music hall song: “I’m Burlington Bertie, I rise at ten thirty / And saunter along like a toff / I walk down the Strand with my gloves on my hand / Then I walk down again with them off …”
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I didn’t break Covid rules when kissing aide, says Matt Hancock
Ex-minister explains why he resigned last year after CCTV showed him embracing adviser Gina Coladangelo

Matt Hancock has insisted that he broke only Covid guidelines rather than rules in kissing his aide and friend in his ministerial office, events that forced his resignation as UK health secretary after CCTV images of the clinch emerged.
Hancock also said his decision to step down more than 24 hours after the pictures were published was made after people he knew and respected got in touch to remind him they had been unable to see dying relatives because of Covid regulations.

“I resigned because I broke the social distance in guidelines then,” he said. “They weren’t actually rules. They weren’t the law. But that’s not the point. The point is they were the guidelines that I’d been proposing.”
He added: “It actually happened after the rules were lifted, but the guidance was still in place. So I’m not trying to claim that I hold no bitterness about this because I broke the rules, I fess up, I broke the guidance, and there were only two people responsible for this.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ssing-aide-says-matt-hancock-gina-coladangelo
 
It's a fair bet that Boris Johnson will be looking at polling over the next day or so. It is a fair bet too that anything he does will be poll-driven.
 
It's a fair bet that Boris Johnson will be looking at polling over the next day or so. It is a fair bet too that anything he does will be poll-driven.

I don't think he is driven by the polls, he's not a Blair. For him it is what his mates say and the subsequent headlines. That's why you keep seeing him doing U-turns, him and his mates are completely selfish jerks so their first reaction is never to do something that will help anyone but them. But sometimes the likes of the Daily Mail don't like his "decision" and give him a bad headline, then he will turn around and correct that bad headline. And I do mean correct the bad headline, not actually deal with the issue; as long as it gets a good headline he will say anything, he just won't actually do any of the work required to address the issue.
 
I don't think he is driven by the polls, he's not a Blair. For him it is what his mates say and the subsequent headlines. That's why you keep seeing him doing U-turns, him and his mates are completely selfish jerks so their first reaction is never to do something that will help anyone but them. But sometimes the likes of the Daily Mail don't like his "decision" and give him a bad headline, then he will turn around and correct that bad headline. And I do mean correct the bad headline, not actually deal with the issue; as long as it gets a good headline he will say anything, he just won't actually do any of the work required to address the issue.


It’s just whatever he thinks will get him out of whatever hole he’s fallen into today.
 
The first thought of Jacob Rees Mogg to any serious political situation is how can I make money from this and best disguise it?
 
Priti Patel told Yvette Cooper in the Commons today that the parents of Ukrainian adults living in the UK would now be able to come to the UK.

The Home Office now says this wasn’t true. Nothing has changed today from the criteria they announced yesterday.

Under the Home Office definition "family members" excluded from the visa scheme include:

- Adult children
- Parents of adults
- Brothers and sisters,
- Grandparents
- Aunts and uncles
- Nieces and nephews
 
Priti Patel insists on still calling Ukraine 'The Ukraine' in the Commons and is the only minister still using the Russian 'Kiev' spelling rather than the Ukrainian' Kyiv' in documents.
 
Priti Patel told Yvette Cooper in the Commons today that the parents of Ukrainian adults living in the UK would now be able to come to the UK.

The Home Office now says this wasn’t true. Nothing has changed today from the criteria they announced yesterday.

Under the Home Office definition "family members" excluded from the visa scheme include:

- Adult children
- Parents of adults
- Brothers and sisters,
- Grandparents
- Aunts and uncles
- Nieces and nephews

I saw that exchange in the HoC. It seems a standard response by the UK government these days to completely evade the question being asked. Patel actually ticked Cooper off and accused her of spreading disinformation, as she did Lammy on Twitter, when they were being absolutely factual based on her own policy and as readable by all on UK.gov.

And as for Liz Truss, her rehearsed riposte, 'oh you mustn't confuse a Russian oligarch with someone who is ethnically Russian', as if suddenly she has become 'woke' and it is now racist to call one of her chums a Russian.

It might be hilarious that Putin has blamed Truss for his bringing in the nukes. However, she did actually make things worse by going there to 'negotiate' yet all she did was repeat a tin-ear sound bite of how there would follow 'severe consequences' if Russia proceeded to occupy Ukraine. She infuriated the Russian guy by saying she would never recognise a couple of regions as being Russian, when they already were Russian. Truss is way out of her depth. (Frost, Davis and Johnson are also lousy negotiators.) Even if Putin had planned this months ago regardless of whatever, a sovereign state still needs to send someone with negotiating skills, and this has to be highly trained. A good diplomat has finely honed listening skills. The Russian guy complained Truss didn't listen. And he was right. She just went along to show off a huge black Russian fur hat and pose for yet another fashion shot, which seems to be her main forte. An impersonation of Thatcher, 'This lady is not for turning' was not appropriate in this scenario. The UK should have sent a trained diplomat with negotiating skills. OK, so it may not have changed Putin's mind, but at least could have got the ball rolling towards peace by keeping avenues open. Possibly Johnson would have had better listening skills than Truss, being more amenable. Jeremy Hunt would have been much better; he is far brighter and on the ball than either Truss or Raab. Oh well, the UK gets the government it asked for, I guess. Truss was only lumbered with the job of Foreign Secretary as Raab preferred to holiday in times of global crisis.
 
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Just when you thought the gaslighting couldn't get any worse, along comes Super Brain (_NOT!) Dominic Raaaaaab asking us to swallow his line that Ukrainian refugees prefer to be in a country 'near Ukraine', in response to a broadcaster saying a 75-year-old woman wants to be with her son in London. And we thought Patel and Truss were totally vacuous.
 
Boris has announced “We will make it easier for Ukrainians already living in the UK to bring their relatives to our country. And though the numbers are hard to calculate, they could be more than 200,000”.

“We’re extending the family scheme so that actually very considerable numbers would be eligible you could be talking about a couple of hundred thousand, maybe more.
Additionally we’re going to have a humanitarian scheme, and then a scheme by which UK companies and citizens can sponsor individual Ukrainians to come to the UK.”

Home office says 100,000 is thought to be the entire total of potentially eligible close family members in Ukraine, not an estimate of how many will actually come.

Someone is telling porkies somewhere. Patel still says it only applies to a spouse or child under 18.
 
And as for Liz Truss, her rehearsed riposte, 'oh you mustn't confuse a Russian oligarch with someone who is ethnically Russian', as if suddenly she has become 'woke' and it is now racist to call one of her chums a Russian.

It might be hilarious that Putin has blamed Truss for his bringing in the nukes. However, she did actually make things worse by going there to 'negotiate' yet all she did was repeat a tin-ear sound bite of how there would follow 'severe consequences' if Russia proceeded to occupy Ukraine. She infuriated the Russian guy by saying she would never recognise a couple of regions as being Russian, when they already were Russian. Truss is way out of her depth.

I reckon the Russians had seen one of Truss' infamous speeches (like the cheese one) and thought it was from a satirical show. And now they've met her...
 
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