General Israel/Palestine discussion thread

[Thunder]

When you agree with their obviously absurd excuses, you are defending them.

Hamas always takes credit for their attacks on civilians, and often times takes credit for other group's attacks aswell.

with that in mind, and the fact that it is highly uncharacteristic of them to EVER express regret over an operation that kills Jews, I am giving them the benefit of the doubt. (until they are proven to be lying)

however, your claim that I defend Hamas, and worse..their terrorist attacks upon civilians, is a disgusting lie.

and the fact is that except for the 3 or 4 Neo-Zionists at JREF, everyone at this forum knows its a pathetic lie.

 

[bikerdruid]

however, your claim that I defend Hamas, and worse..their terrorist attacks upon civilians, is a disgusting lie.

and the fact is that except for the 3 or 4 Neo-Zionists at JREF, everyone at this forum knows its a pathetic lie.

it's the old, "if you disagree with us, you are cheering on the enemy," nonsense.

 

[Thunder]

it's the old, "if you disagree with us, you are cheering on the enemy," nonsense.

I think its very sad that some folks feel that the only way they can defend their point of view is by LYING about the point of view of their opponent.

Its almost as if they have truly given up on mature & honest debate, or they were never really interested in it in the first place.

This appears to be very common among the right-wing Zionist camp.

 

[Stout]

Our local UI's just posted about something called "operation Scorching Summer" that had the IDF blowing the crap out of Gaza as we speak. So far the most respectable news site my google-fu has turned up is Global Research.

Now colour me skeptical, but is this something that's been recently made up and distributed via facebook/twitter to the gullible or is this really happening and nobody but the alternative media has access to. or is interested in the "story"

 

[WildCat]

Our local UI's just posted about something called "operation Scorching Summer" that had the IDF blowing the crap out of Gaza as we speak. So far the most respectable news site my google-fu has turned up is Global Research.

Now colour me skeptical, but is this something that's been recently made up and distributed via facebook/twitter to the gullible or is this really happening and nobody but the alternative media has access to. or is interested in the "story"

It's genocide Stout! If EJ Armstrong comes back he'll make that very claim.

 

[NWO Sentryman]

It's genocide Stout! If EJ Armstrong comes back he'll make that very claim.

Oh boy, the left will probably go wild and scream that Israel is comparable to the Nazis... again.

 

[Skeptic]

It's genocide Stout! If EJ Armstrong comes back he'll make that very claim.

Nothing in the mainstream Israeli media as we speak.

 

[bigjelmapro]

Fixed that for you. The Kornet uses a laser marking system during daylight. Oh, and of course the operators knew the bus was a school bus.

I know Hezbollah has Kornets, but how do you know this was the case with this attack by Hamas?

 

[angrysoba]

Hamas is known for always taking credit for their attacks, and even taking credits for other group's attacks.

they are NOT, however...known for expressing regret for attacks.

therefore, I'd like to see evidence that they knew it was a bus full of children and targeted it anyway.

Henceforth this mantra shall be known as the Denial Mantra. Do you like the smell of cognitive dissonance in the morning, Thunder?

"Hamas is known for...blah blah blah..." Keep repeating it to yourself and one day you might genuinely believe it Thunder, ole boy!

But like I said, the rest of us might think your KoolAid stinks and refuse to chug it down as willingly as you do EVERY TIME!

 

[Virus]

it's the old, "if you disagree with us, you are cheering on the enemy," nonsense.

Do you support Hamas and Hezbollah? The people who cheered on Communist terror tend to be the same people who cheer on Islamic terror now.

 

[WildCat]

I know Hezbollah has Kornets, but how do you know this was the case with this attack by Hamas?

http://dover.idf.il/IDF/English/News/today/2011/04/1102.htm

 

[bikerdruid]

Do you support Hamas and Hezbollah? The people who cheered on Communist terror tend to be the same people who cheer on Islamic terror now.

no...nor have i ever cheered on communist terror.
i support the rights of the people.
all governments suck.

 

[Mycroft]

Israeli law forbids Palestinians who marry Israeli citizens from becoming citizens of Israel.

Because Palestinian militants were doing this in order to gain access to Israel. Self-defense is not racism.

strawman. Jews were not "exiled" from Palestine for 2,000 years. Jews have always lived in Palestine, even after the Jewish Wars against Rome. The Jewish population of Palestine always numbered in the thousands. There was never a time that Jews were forbidden from living there, and Jews constantly migrated in and out of the land. The fact is, that for the most part the Jewish "exile" from Palestine was in indeed self-made. WE could have attempted a mass-migration back to Palestine, but we simply chose not to.

And yet when the mass-migration did happen, it was met with organized, murderous violence. You sure have a way of only seeing what you want in historical events.

yeah, than why does Israel forbid certain Jews from making Aliyah? a nationality is not something that can be given up, not even by choice. and yet, Israel forbids Jews from making Aliyah if they believe in Jesus.

No it doesn't. Lots of assimilated Jews still qualify for "Right of Return" status. A very specific subset who practice Messianic Judaism do not qualify under the right of return law, but I see no evidence they wouldn't qualify under other circumstances.

No, but Israeli law provides all sorts of benefits to folks who immigrate under the Law of Return, and ONLY Jews can immigrate under the Law of Return. This law in fact gives more benefits to Jewish immigrants than to native-born Arab citizens.

True, but so what?

Nevermind the fact that Israel has instituted a whole series of laws clearly made to discriminate against Arabs. It is not possible for an Israeli citizen or Permanent Resident to sue for lost property in Israel, for property lost between 1948 and 1967.

The Arab-Israeli citizen wouldn't have lost property during this time. I think this claim needs supporting evidence.

 

[Mycroft]

Fixed that for you. The Kornet uses a laser marking system during daylight. Oh, and of course the operators knew the bus was a school bus.

Which means someone would have needed to "paint" the target with the laser in order to guide the missile in?

 

[IDB87]

Which means someone would have needed to "paint" the target with the laser in order to guide the missile in?

That someone is the person who fired the missile.

But yes, you are correct.

 

[Mycroft]

That someone is the person who fired the missile.

But yes, you are correct.

So that person is even less likely not to have known what the target was, and could presumably have redirected the missile by moving the guiding laser somewhere else if he didn't realize until after firing the missile that the target was a school bus.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

no...nor have i ever cheered on communist terror.

Terror is inseparable from communism, communism is critically dependent on it in order to function.

 

[Virus]

no...nor have i ever cheered on communist terror.
i support the rights of the people.
all governments suck.

You've cheered on plenty of communist dictatorships. But you didn't answer my question. Do you support Hamas and Hezbollah?

 

[bikerdruid]

no...nor have i ever cheered on communist terror.
i support the rights of the people.
all governments suck.

You've cheered on plenty of communist dictatorships. But you didn't answer my question. Do you support Hamas and Hezbollah?

do you even bother to read before you comment?
you even quoted my answer to your original and repeated question...."no."

 

[Virus]

Do you condemn Hamas and Hezbollah as terrorist organizations?