General Israel/Palestine discussion thread

[Stout]

If *I* were facebook, I'd pull it down anyways and take them up on the challenge that "all Muslims will boycott Facebook forever" just to see if it's true.

Random link clickage on that facebook group gives us this.

Victory for Muslims
Victory for Palestine
Victory for the Arabs
Victory for Hamas and the resistance
Burn the Zionists and give them back the memory of Hitler's Holocaust
We will kill all Israelis
we Will throw and their bodies in the streets
We will use the gasoline and fire to burn all the body burn
Because the best way to get rid of impurity of the Jews was burning

What was that about throwing stones ?

 

[Thunder]

You can read Arabic now?

hmmm....

you know, if I DID read Arabic, I wouldn't need an Arabic translator....now WOULD I?



....you're not very good at this are ya?

 

[Thunder]

Random link clickage on that facebook group gives us this.

those groups are not affiliated with the main page.

its just folks who post to the discussion topics.

 

[angrysoba]

no, you were clearly inferring that I was suggesting that violence is not terrorism if its directed against Jews.

come on bud, we know what you meant.

This is just your paranoia. You've misrepresented the ADL's condemnation against a Facebook page by saying that they call stone-throwing terrorism. This is a complete confection of yours on two counts:

1) The ADL didn't mention stone-throwing in the statement quoted in that article.

AND

2) You are defining the intifada as "protests and throwing rocks at Occupation forces".

The intifadas included plenty of suicide bombings, mass shootings, lynchings etc... or do you deny this?

It seems clear that the ADL are condemning the Facebook page because it is inevitable that any intifada will lead to a resumption of these actions. Or do you deny this?

Neither myself nor the ADL are equating stone-throwing with terrorism. Do you deny this?

The accusation that myself or the ADL are equating stone-throwing with terrorism is in fact a strawman of your own making. Do you deny this?

 

[Pardalis]

hmmm....

you know, if I DID read Arabic, I wouldn't need an Arabic translator....now WOULD I?



....you're not very good at this are ya?

You claimed they call for peaceful protest. This means you must have read their facebook page. This means you can read Arabic.

Or

You're talking out of your ass.

 

[Thunder]

You claimed they call for peaceful protest. This means you must have read their facebook page. This means you can read Arabic.

Or

You're talking out of your ass.

Third Option: I read the article.



.....I know you're new at this, so its ok. I forgive you.

 

[Stout]

those groups are not affiliated with the main page.

its just folks who post to the discussion topics.

Whether they're groups or not, I can't tell but that quote was from the discussion page on the Third Palestinian Intifada group.

The group has obviously not chosen to censor that comment and therefore must support it.

 

[Pardalis]

Third Option: I read the article.

You claimed it as fact.

 

[angrysoba]

Well, here is the ADL statement to help out Thunder. No mention of stone-throwing which as we all agree is not terrorism but which I certainly don't believe is peaceful.

Although the managers of this group claim to be calling for peaceful demonstrations, the Third Intifada pages include calls for followers to build on the previous two intifadas. We should not be so naïve to believe that a campaign for a ‘Third Intifada’ does not portend renewed violence, especially in the current climate that has seen a dramatic increase in rocket attacks from Gaza, the brutal murder of the Fogel family in the West Bank, and a terrorist bombing in Jerusalem.

 

[Thunder]

Although the managers of this group claim to be calling for peaceful demonstrations


thank you, Angrysoba.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

do you?

Do I what? Know much about the Intifadas?

 

[Thunder]

You claimed it as fact.

hence the request for Arabic translators, because I have zero doubt about this claim.




...please, try again. a little more effort next time.

 

[angrysoba]

In fact the full statement can be found here:

http://www.adl.org/NR/exeres/C5C85E...3CA-D5A4-465D-A369-DF6E8679CD9E,frameless.htm

 

[angrysoba]

Although the managers of this group claim to be calling for peaceful demonstrations


thank you, Angrysoba.

Now Thunder, is it your opinion that stone-throwing is peaceful?

 

[Pardalis]

hence the request for Arabic translators, because I have zero doubt about this claim.

They call for a third intifada. Judging from how violent and destructive the two earlier ones went, their claim that they only call for peaceful protests is highly unlikely.

And yet you choose to believe them on faith.

 

[Thunder]

They call for a third intifada. Judging from how violent and destructive the two earlier ones went, their claim that they only call for peaceful protests is highly unlikely.

And yet you choose to believe them on faith.

My God, what is the major malfunction here?

what do you think the Arabic translators would be for?????????



Jeeeezus.



....my dear friend, I think you should let this one go.

 

[angrysoba]

They call for a third intifada. Judging from how violent and destructive the two earlier ones went, their claim that they only call for peaceful protests is highly unlikely.

And yet you choose to believe them on faith.

It's my opinion that Thunder also thinks they are lying. This is something that will be demonstrated shortly.

 

[Thunder]

It's my opinion that Thunder also thinks they are lying. This is something that will be demonstrated shortly.

do you read Arabic? perhaps you can translate the FB page to tell us what they actually say.

otherwise, I shall have my Egyptian buddy do it on Monday.

 

[Thunder]

Thunder: The article says that this FB page is calling for a non-violent Intifada, but I'd like to see an Arabic translator confirm this.

Pardalis: oh, so you trust this FB page to be calling for peaceful protest.

Thunder: anyone here speak Arabic so we can actually see what the FB page says?

Pardalis: ok, so you take these guys at their word.

Thunder: anyone speak Arabic? I want to get an independent confirmation of what this FB page is saying.

Pardalis: why do you believe this FB group 100%?

 

[Pardalis]

hence the request for Arabic translators, because I have zero doubt about this claim.

Having zero doubt about a claim = trusting the claim