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Thunder said:
no, the ADL is suggesting that throwing rocks is terrorism.

the major activities of the 1st and 2nd Intifada was thousands of Palestinians taking to the streets, chucking stones at the IDF invaders.
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The ADL don't mention "throwing rocks" in the article you posted a link to, Thunder.

And no, the second intifada most certainly wasn't just a bit of stone throwing. Stone throwing, which as mentioned is dangerous enough, is fairly common behaviour outside of the intifadas. The second intifada - in particular - prominently featured shootings, suicide bombings, lynchings etc...

The first intifada featured massive levels of Palestinian-on-Palestinian murders particularly of those considered to be "collaborators" with Israel.

I'm really not surprised the ADL condemn the call for a third intifada and sadly not that surprised you don't seem to know what happened in the first two and affect complete bemusement about the fuss.
 
Thunder said:
Again, if Hamas nor Islamic Jihad still has not taken credit for the attack, that suggests it may not have been politically motivated terror.
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It might suggest that yet Hamas' words suggest they believe it is otherwise why use the words "natural response"?
 
How dare anyone suggest it's improper to incite violence against Jews!
 
angrysoba said:
You don't get it! It's only a call to throw stones at Jews! That's not terrorism, man!
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ah.....angrysoba plays the old "Jew Card".

how very clever. ;)


...and no, it is not an act of terrorism for unprotected civilians to chuck stones at heavily armored soldiers in an occupied area.

assault? yes.

terrorism? no friggin' way.

I mean honestly, would it have been terrorism if folks in the Krakow ghetto threw stones at the SS?
 
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angrysoba said:
No. But it is stupid and stupid to call for it.
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in your opinion, it is stupid to throw stones at foreign soldiers occupying your city.

and so far, there is no evidence that the owners of the Facebook page have called anyone to violent actions.
 
angrysoba said:
No. But it is stupid and stupid to call for it.
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I agree, especially given the complete lack of results achieved by throwing rocks in the past. It seems like the only thing it accomplishes is to get Palestinian protestors hurt or killed.

There are good reasons for Palestinians to rebel against Israel in the occupied territories, but to advocate such a useless form of rebellion is irresponsible and nonsensical.
 
Thunder said:
in your opinion, it is stupid to throw stones at foreign soldiers occupying your city.

and so far, there is no evidence that the owners of the Facebook page have called anyone to violent actions.
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They've called them to an intifada. Only you can be so obtuse/willfully ignorant to think there would be no violence in the intifada. Even if we were willing to pretend, as you do, that intifidas are basically just rock-throwing then you still can't say that isn't inciting violence.
 
angrysoba said:
Only you can be so obtuse/willfully ignorant to think there would be no violence in the intifada.
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only me?

:p

do you still think throwing rocks at soldiers is an act of terrorism?

its not your fault if you do, as it has been a major part of right-wing Israeli propaganda for years.

any Palestinian who defies Israel in any way, is considered a terrorist, and any act that defies Israel is an act of terrorism.

;)
 
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Thunder said:
do you still think throwing rocks at soldiers is an act of terrorism?
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Nowhere have I said it was.

I said it was stupid and so are you for cheering it on as the results are going to be pretty horrific if the kids are incited to throw rocks. Will it bother you or will it be good for your posturing to see the all-too predictable effects?

in your opinion, it is stupid to throw stones at foreign soldiers occupying your city.
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In my opinion, as you asked, it is stupid of people sitting in their comfortable New York apartments blithely calling on kids to risk their lives by throwing stones at soldiers.
 
angrysoba said:
Nowhere have I said it was.
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you clearly implied it here:

Originally Posted by angrysoba
You don't get it! It's only a call to throw stones at Jews! That's not terrorism, man!.

angrysoba said:
In my opinion, as you asked, it is stupid of people sitting in their comfortable New York apartments blithely calling on kids to risk their lives by throwing stones at soldiers.
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ohhhh......now I'm the subject of the debate?

waay to personalize the argument there. ;)
 
Thunder said:
you clearly implied it here:

Originally Posted by angrysoba [qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/helloworld2/buttons/viewpost.gif[/qimg]
You don't get it! It's only a call to throw stones at Jews! That's not terrorism, man!.
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No, I did not imply it. My point was that your threshold seems to be that if it isn't terrorism then what's the fuss?

My point is that inciting stone-throwing is bad enough but the intifadas themselves have not been simply about stone-throwing.

As usual you're getting all enthused about semantics and missing the bigger picture.
 
angrysoba said:
No, I did not imply it. My point was that your threshold seems to be that if it isn't terrorism then what's the fuss?
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no, you were clearly inferring that I was saying that violence is not terrorism if its directed against Jews.

come on bud, we know what you meant.
 
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