General Israel/Palestine discussion thread

[WildCat]

Wait, Hamas does teach the Holocaust! You see, if it did actually happen, it was done by Jews to get rid of the handicapped and elderly. The Nazis were just innocent scapegoats in the evil Zionist plot.

 

[Thunder]

Already proven.

what was proven?

 

[Pardalis]

I don't know. Why don't you ask them.

Can't you speculate? Extrapolate out of the quotes that have been provided so far from Hamas leaders.

 

[Thunder]

Can't you speculate? Extrapolate out of the quotes that have been provided so far from Hamas leaders.

Speculation is for Loose Change and Stormfront. This is JREF.

 

[Pardalis]

You never speculate out of existing data? People do it everyday. It's not conspiracy theorizing, it's normal deductive reasoning.

 

[mortimer]

what was proven?

What you asked to be proven.

Seriously, keep up. It's not that hard. Hamas issued a press release saying that the Holocaust was a Zionist lie, and posted said press release on their government website.

Basim Naim claims that Hamas does not deny the Holocaust.

QED, Basim Naim is lying.

I'm surprised you needed it spelled out like that. Wait, no I'm not.

 

[Thunder]

You never speculate out of existing data? People do it everyday. It's not conspiracy theorizing, it's normal deductive reasoning.

I am not going to speculate as to why Palestinian teachers do not teach about the Holocaust.

Nor shall I speculate as to why Israeli teachers do not teach Jewish students about the Nakba.

But the fact that both communities seem unwilling to teach about the suffering of the other community, is disgusting.

 

[Thunder]

Wait, no I'm not.

what are you not?

 

[Pardalis]

I am not going to speculate as to why Palestinian teachers do not teach about the Holocaust.

But Hamas leaders have claimed the Holocaust is a "Zionist lie". Doesn't it follow logically that this is why teachers won't discuss it in their class?

The rest of your post is a tu quoque fallacy.

 

[Thunder]

But Hamas leaders have claimed the Holocaust is a "Zionist lie". Doesn't it follow logically that this is why teachers won't discuss it in their class?

Other Hamas leaders say it is a historical fact.

 

[mortimer]

Nor shall I speculate as to why Israeli teachers do not teach Jewish students about the Nakba.

You never have proven that Jewish students in Israel are not taught about Nakba.

 

[Thunder]

You never have proven that Jewish students in Israel are not taught about Nakba.

This is JREF, not Prisonplanet or Loose Change. We don't prove negatives here.

The posted article says that Arab students in Israel will be taught about the Nakba. It says zip about Jewish students.

 

[Pardalis]

Other Hamas leaders say it is a historical fact.

"We reject teaching our pupils such thoughts and strange culture that contradicts with our Palestinian beliefs"
http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/...olocaust-taught-in-gaza-schools--summary.html

What "Palestinian beliefs" is the statement referring to do you think?

Use that brain of yours.

 

[Thunder]

"We reject teaching our pupils such thoughts and strange culture that contradicts with our Palestinian beliefs"
http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/...olocaust-taught-in-gaza-schools--summary.html

What "Palestinian beliefs" is the statement referring to do you think?

Use that brain of yours.

now we are just talking about Gaza.

 

[mortimer]

This is JREF, not Prisonplanet or Loose Change. We don't prove negatives here.

That you can't prove a negative does not absolve you of providing evidence when you present a negative as fact.

The posted article says that Arab students in Israel will be taught about the Nakba. It says zip about Jewish students.

Exactly. That is no help to your claim that no Jewish Israeli student is taught the Nakba.

 

[Pardalis]

Use your deductive reasoning skills and answer my question.

Gees, it's like pulling teeth.

 

[Thunder]

That you can't prove a negative does not absolve you of providing evidence when you present a negative as fact.

...funny stuff.

Exactly. That is no help to your claim that no Jewish Israeli student is taught the Nakba.

no evidence has been presented that Jewish Israelis are taught about the Nakba. care to provide some?

 

[Thunder]

Use your deductive reasoning skills and answer my question.

Gees, it's like pulling teeth.

speculation is for CTists...not skeptics.

i'm off. bye bye.

 

[funk de fino]

I sometimes posted about, say, Sweden. No, I've never been to Sweden. But:

(1) I don't devote 80% of my forum posts to attacking Sweden and Swedes despite never having been there, and without speaking a word of Swedish.

(2) I don't declare that all Swedes who disagree with me and actually live there and know the place are all "right-wing propagandists" for daring to think differently about Sweden than I do, or correct the numerous embarrasing factual mistakes I make in my rants about how awful Sweden is...

This is hilarious. Replace Sweden and Swedes with any number of Middle East or North African countries and Muslims.

80% is bob on.

 

[Pardalis]

Avoidance is not reasoning.