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Did DeGaulle write about this fellow? No? I guess he never existed either, then.

http://www.johngalione.com/timberwolf415b001.htm
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And not a single one of them talked about the crimes of Anne Frank and her family which made them deserving of being deported to camps in which all but one of them died. I guess none of them ever existed, nor did the Annex, nor the entire Netherlands, since none of those were mentioned either...

And the Badger Army Ammunition Plant: the largest ammo plant in the entire world wasn't mentioned by any of these people: I guess no bullets were used in WWII and it was a a series of "Rock, Paper, Scissors" matches.
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Winston Churchill, in his massive six-volume history of World War Two, and Dwight D. Eisenhower in his memoirs, both omitted all reference to "gas chambers" and their use in an alleged "genocide" of the Jews. How do the Museum and the Deborah Lipstadts explain that?

66 Questions on the Holocaust

What proof exists that the Nazis practiced genocide or deliberately killed six million. Jews?
What evidence exists that six million Jews were not killed by the Nazis?
Did Simon Wiesenthal once state in writing that "there were no extermination camps on German soil?
If Dachau was in Germany and even Simon Wiesenthal says that it was not an extermination camp, why do thousands of veterans in America say that it was an extermination camp?
Auschwitz was in Poland, not Germany. Is there any proof that gas chambers for the purpose of killing human beings existed at or in Auschwitz?
If Auschwitz wasn't a "death camp," what was it's true purpose?
Who set up the first concentration camps, and where and when?
How did German concentration camps differ from America relocation camps which interned Japanese-German-and Italian-Americans during W.W.II?
Why did the German intern Jews in concentration camps?
What extensive measure did world Jewry undertake against Germany as early as 1933?
Did the Jews of the world "declare war on Germany?"
Was this before or after the rumors of the "death camps" began?
What nation is credited with being the first to practice mass civilian bombing?
How many gas chambers to kill people were there at Auschwitz?
How many Jews were in areas that came to be controlled by the Germans before the war?
If the Jews of Europe were not exterminated by the Nazis, what happened to them?
How many Jews fled to deep within the Soviet Union?
How many Jews emigrated prior to the war, thus being outside of German reach?
If Auschwitz was not an extermination camp, why did the commandant, Rudolf Hoess, confess that it was?
Is there any evidence that it was American, British, French, and Soviet policy to torture German prisoners in order to exact confessions before the trials at Nuremberg and elsewhere?
How does the "Holocaust" story benefit the Jews today?
How does it benefit the State of Israel?
How does it benefit many Christian clergy?
How does it benefit the Communists?
How does it benefit Britain?
Is there any evidence that Hitler knew of a mass extermination of Jews?
What kind of gas was used by the Nazis in concentration camps?
For what purpose was, and is, this gas manufactured?
Why did they use this instead of a gas more suitable for mass extermination?
How long does it take to ventilate fully an area fumigated by Zyklon-B?
Auschwitz commandant Hoess said that his men would enter the gas chamber ten minutes after the Jews had died and remove them. How do you explain this?
Hoess said in his confession that his men would smoke cigarettes as they pulled the dead Jews out of the gas chambers ten minutes after gassing. Isn't Zyklon-B explosive?
What was the exact procedure the Nazis allegedly used to exterminate Jews?
How could such a mass program have been kept secret from Jews who were scheduled for extermination?
If Jews scheduled for execution knew the fate in store for them, why did they go to their deaths without fight or protest?
About how many Jews died in the concentration camps?
How did they die?
What is typhus?
What is the difference if six million or 300,000 Jews died during this awesome period?
Many Jewish survivors of the "death camps" say they saw bodies being piled up in pits and burned. How much gasoline would have to be used to perform this?
Can bodies be burned in pits?
"Holocaust" authors claim that the Nazis were able to cremate bodies in about 10 minutes. How long does it take to incinerate one body according to professional cremator operators?
Why did the concentration camps have crematory ovens?
Given a 100 (to the 6th power) duty cycle of all the crematoria in all the camps in German-controlled territory, what is the maximum number of corpses it would have been possible to incinerate during the entire period such cremators were operating?
Can a crematory oven be operated 100 (to the 6th power) of the time?
How much ash is left from a cremated corpse?
If six million people had been incinerated by the Nazis, what happened to the ashes?
Do Allied wartime photos of Auschwitz (during the period when the "gas chambers" and crematoria were supposed to be in full operation) reveal gas chambers?
What was the main provision of the German "Nuremberg laws" of 1935?
Were there any American precedents for the Nuremberg Laws?
What did the International Red Cross have to report with regard to the "Holocaust" question?
What was the role of the Vatican during the time the six million Jews were alleged to have been exterminated?
What evidence is there that Hitler knew of the ongoing Jewish extermination?
Did the Nazis and the Zionists collaborate?
What caused Anne Frank's death just several weeks before the end of the war?
Is the Anne Frank Diary genuine?
What about the numerous photographs and footage taken in the German concentration camps showing piles of emaciated corpses? Are these faked?
Who originated the term "genocide"?
Were films such as 'Holocaust' and 'The Winds of War' documentary films?
About how many books have been published which refute some aspect of the standard claims made about the "Holocaust"?
What happened when a historical institute offered $50,000 to anyone who could prove that Jews were gassed at Auschwitz?
What about the claim that those who question the "Holocaust" are anti-Semitic or Neo-Nazi?
What has happened to the historians who have questioned the "Holocaust" material?
Has the Institute for Historical Review suffered any retaliation for its efforts to uphold the right of freedom of speech and academic freedom?
Why is there so little publicity for your point of view?
Where can I get more information about the "other side" of the "Holocaust" story as well as facts concerning other areas of W.W.II Historical Revisionism?


http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/holohoax.htm
 
You've been bamboozled. The gas chambers never existed.

In their post war writings neither Ike nor de Gaulle nor Churchill mentioned gas chambers. Why? Because the gas chambers were a lie plain and simple.

When it mattered, for posterity, mum was the word.

Ike, mum was the word.
de Gaulle, mum was the word.
Churchill, mum was the word.

The Red Cross said during the war that there was no genocide going on in the German camps.

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For the same reason they didn't mention a *lot* of things -- none of them were personally present at any of the camps which had gas chambers, and had other things about which to talk.

None of them mentioned the Battle of West Henan–North Hubei, either -- did that not occur?



A lie, one you have been corrected on in the past.

But lies don't matter when you have a political agenda to advance, hmmmn?

No agenda here save the truth.

The Holocost myth is said to be worth 35 billion dollars a year and a revolving get away with pretty much any thing card. Now that's an agenda of mythical proportion.
 
No agenda here save the truth.
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Then why do you post lies so often in support of that agenda?
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The Holocost myth is said to be worth 35 billion dollars a year and a revolving get away with pretty much any thing card. Now that's an agenda of mythical proportion.
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Said by whom? Other deniers? You know very well that they lie to you...

No, what you have described here is simply an agenda of myth.

Myth which you pretend supports your visceral hate.
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7979868&postcount=9653

Have any deniers read this Wolf Gruner book mentioned by ANTPogo? I took it out after this post and have found it very informative on the question of forced labor.

It might be interesting to discuss an actual piece of research and analysis, instead of having Clayton Moore simply stating what he imagines and what he thinks should be the case.

Of course, after the recently displayed inability of the deniers on this thread to defend their assertions regarding the Jaeger report and the Auschwitz transports data, I realize that this is a long shot.
 
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You know what the most damaging thing to the denier position is about that book? It's not the exhaustive, meticulous research in it (although that certainly is damaging).

It's that the book, in the words of the publisher's own description, "refutes the widespread thesis that compulsory work was organized only by the SS, and that exploitation was only an intermediate tactic on the way to mass murder or, rather, that it was only a facet in the destruction of the Jews."

In denier-world, that obviously means the Overlords of the Holohoax Zionspiracy are falling all over themselves to suppress this book before it totally ruins the carefully-constructed moneymaking Holohoax narrative, right?

Nope. In fact, not only is it not being suppressed and its author not being hounded as a "denier", it was co-published by the US Holocaust Memorial Museum itself, and can be purchased right from the USHMM's own shop.

Because that's how real Holocaust investigation and academic study works, as opposed to the anti-Semitic strawman that only exists inside deniers' heads. There's no "narrative" that was concocted and which needs protecting. There are only explorations and attempts at explanation of a massive, complex, and multifaceted historical event, which was perpetrated by (and which affected) millions of individual human beings, and which, like any other continent- and decade-spanning historical event, doesn't fit neatly into a single package.
 
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And those explorations lead to, uh, revisions and clarifications - and, as a result, have given us a fuller picture of the complexity of the origins of the mass murder, refined explication of aspects of Jewish policy like forced labor or property theft or social exclusion, detailed analysis of broader criminal activity of the Third Reich (such as the camp systems or treatment of POWs or reprisals / anti-partisan tactics), and richer descriptions of the implementation of the anti-Jewish measures including genocide. That is the true revisionist work, what is being done by scholars on a daily basis, as part of what they do.

Note: It is Gruner, too, who, as ANTPogo says in the context of labor, challenged the conventional portrayal of the Rosenstrasse incident from protest against genocide which saved the lives husbands in mixed marriages. Discussed upthread. It is this research and interpretation that Clayton Moore tries to pass off as "messaging" for a cause, because to acknowledge real scholarship would be as fatal for his own cause as would be reading a book.
 
You know what the most damaging thing to the denier position is about that book? It's not the exhaustive, meticulous research in it (although that certainly is damaging).

It's that the book, in the words of the publisher's own description, "refutes the widespread thesis that compulsory work was organized only by the SS, and that exploitation was only an intermediate tactic on the way to mass murder or, rather, that it was only a facet in the destruction of the Jews."

In denier-world, that obviously means the Overlords of the Holohoax Zionspiracy are falling all over themselves to suppress this book before it totally ruins the carefully-constructed moneymaking Holohoax narrative, right?

Nope. In fact, not only is it not being suppressed and its author not being hounded as a "denier", it was co-published by the US Holocaust Memorial Museum itself, and can be purchased right from the USHMM's own shop.

Because that's how real Holocaust investigation and academic study works, as opposed to the anti-Semitic strawman that only exists inside deniers' heads. There's no "narrative" that was concocted and which needs protecting. There are only explorations and attempts at explanation of a massive, complex, and multifaceted historical event, which was perpetrated by (and which affected) millions of individual human beings, and which, like any other continent- and decade-spanning historical event, doesn't fit neatly into a single package.

It's just a way to cushion the response when the bubble bursts.

A. You don't brutalize people in the proximity of those who are expected to provide meaningful work to support a war effort.

B. You don't kill millions of people in gas chambers in the proximity of those who are expected to provide meaningful work to support a war effort

C. You don't kill millions of people in gas chambers over a period of 3 years without other prisoners, within a football field away, knowing about it.
 
everybody knew about it!!! The only people in the history of the planet who seem to disagree with that is the neo-nazi's , anti-semites and other such people who deny it happened.....
 
It's just a way to cushion the response when the bubble bursts.

A. You don't brutalize people in the proximity of those who are expected to provide meaningful work to support a war effort.

B. You don't kill millions of people in gas chambers in the proximity of those who are expected to provide meaningful work to support a war effort

C. You don't kill millions of people in gas chambers over a period of 3 years without other prisoners, within a football field away, knowing about it.

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D. You don't open a two front war with the largest alliance the world has ever seen.

E. You don't send troops into Soviet Russia starting in late summer with no winter gear and little in the way of supplies.

F. You don't waste resources rounding up innocent unarmed civilians and shipping them around while you are losing that two front war.

And yet, your heroes did all of these things...
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D. You don't open a two front war with the largest alliance the world has ever seen.

E. You don't send troops into Soviet Russia starting in late summer with no winter gear and little in the way of supplies.

F. You don't waste resources rounding up innocent unarmed civilians and shipping them around while you are losing that two front war.

And yet, your heroes did all of these things...
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G: You don't invite another world power into the war(USA)

H: You don't ignore the advice of one of your top commanders(Rommel) when he tells you that there isn't enough defenses along the beaches of Normandy

I: You don't enter into a war of such vast expanse and then kill millions of your owns citizens who could have potentially helped you to build the industry required to win it

yet, as stated above, your heroes did all of these things
 
You've been bamboozled. The gas chambers never existed.

In their post war writings neither Ike nor de Gaulle nor Churchill mentioned gas chambers. Why? Because the gas chambers were a lie plain and simple.

When it mattered, for posterity, mum was the word.

Ike, mum was the word.
de Gaulle, mum was the word.
Churchill, mum was the word.

The Red Cross said during the war that there was no genocide going on in the German camps.

Funny that the Great Jewish Cabal couldn't get to them and make them write about the gas chambers.
 
“Wolf Gruner, a respected German scholar, reveals the close connection between forced labor by victims of Nazi persecution and the economic needs of German industry under the Hitler regime. His careful research traces the slippery slope from persecutory laws to labor camps in Germany and occupied countries and finally to the gas chambers. Extermination of Nazi victims was not haphazard. In the hope of staying alive, Jews were forced to work for the regime that had promised to annihilate them. Those unable to work were either dead or about to die. This important historical volume demonstrates that local German labor offices, industry, police and Wehrmacht, as well as companies large and small, were prepared to exploit slave laborers in cooperation with the SS as long as it served the economic interests of the Reich. It leaves the readers to ponder the unanswered question: ‘How could such things happen in a civilized country like Germany?’”
— Benjamin B. Ferencz, a Prosecutor at the Nuremberg war crimes trials, author of Less Than Slaves: Jewish Forced Labor and the Quest for Compensation (Indiana University Press, in association with the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum).
See www.benferencz.org

http://www.ushmm.org/research/center/publications/details.php?content=2006-03


Like I said, this is just the beginning of an effort to cushion the reaction to the revelation for brain dead believers that there were no gas chambers. As Noam might say "It makes no difference if the gas chambers never existed. The Holocaust did happen. Get over it."
 
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And not a single one of them talked about the crimes of Anne Frank and her family which made them deserving of being deported to camps in which all but one of them died. I guess none of them ever existed, nor did the Annex, nor the entire Netherlands, since none of those were mentioned either...

And the Badger Army Ammunition Plant: the largest ammo plant in the entire world wasn't mentioned by any of these people: I guess no bullets were used in WWII and it was a a series of "Rock, Paper, Scissors" matches.
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WWII was a Jewish plot to seize control of innocent Germany.*

*a poster here has made that argument
 
It's just a way to cushion the response when the bubble bursts.

A. You don't brutalize people in the proximity of those who are expected to provide meaningful work to support a war effort.
B. You don't kill millions of people in gas chambers in the proximity of those who are expected to provide meaningful work to support a war effort

C. You don't kill millions of people in gas chambers over a period of 3 years without other prisoners, within a football field away, knowing about it.

Yea, you never want to let the slaves know you whip them.
 
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